Publication Ban Lifted - Gomery Inquiry

[calf]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...Story/National/

[Sammie]

Yes . . . but . . . Stockwell Day is very, VERY scary.

[Looger]

stockwell day would be in a similar situation, as would all parties/leaders in canada.

our system is a bit of a mess. it needs an overhaul.

canadians succeed in spite of our government, not because of it.

[peter12]

Originally posted by Looger@Apr 7 2005, 01:09 PM
stockwell day would be in a similar situation, as would all parties/leaders in canada.

our system is a bit of a mess. it needs an overhaul.

canadians succeed in spite of our government, not because of it.

Governments get sloppy when they have been in power for 15 years.

Who is to say whether Day would have been in this same position.

I just want the Liberals to burn bright for this.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by peter12+Apr 7 2005, 07:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peter12 @ Apr 7 2005, 07:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Looger@Apr 7 2005, 01:09 PM
stockwell day would be in a similar situation, as would all parties/leaders in canada.

our system is a bit of a mess. it needs an overhaul.

canadians succeed in spite of our government, not because of it.

Governments get sloppy when they have been in power for 15 years.

Who is to say whether Day would have been in this same position.

I just want the Liberals to burn bright for this. [/b][/quote]
Scandal was a major player in reducing the Liberals to a sideshow through much of the 80's, scandal was a major player in reducing the Conservatives to a sideshow through much of the 90's and now . . . . . . history playing out again.

Although this seems to be an elevated game of direct corruption from what you've seen publicly before. Cash is involved rather than illicit use of public airplanes. People should go to jail.

And they're merely confirming that I think Jean Chretien is a criminal who should do time.

That's a lot of Francophone names in there as well if you don't mind my saying so . . . and I'm not saying that from some redneck phobia.

Cowperson

[MarchHare]

I still don't understand the entire point of that entire money campaign to advertise Canada inside of Canada. The person who approved of funding a program like that for more than 1 dollar should do jail time.

They were promoting Canada to the 49% of Quebeckers who voted "yes" in the 1995 referendum, lest we see the seperatist movement rise again and score a victory next time. While you may disagree that such a program was necessary, it was approved by parliament and was a part of the budget. There's nothing scandalous about the program itself.

The scandal here is that a percentage of the money allocated to the Sponsorship Program wasn't spent on anything, and some of it allegedly was given directly to the Liberal Party (and also the PQ, if recent allegations are accurate).

[Table 5]

Originally posted by fotze@Apr 7 2005, 02:35 PM
I still don't understand the entire point of that entire money campaign to advertise Canada inside of Canada. The person who approved of funding a program like that for more than 1 dollar should do jail time.

How can people spend other people's money that willynilly (and I know all gov'ts do it). Every day alderman Ric McIvor is becomming my hero.

why would that jackass be your hero? I think he's the worst alderman this city has.

[V]

Originally posted by fotze@Apr 7 2005, 12:59 PM
...awards structures like bridges to be given to the lowest bidder who will change order to death to make back the moeny resulting in litigation, massive cost overruns and a ugly ass structure.

So why do you like him? This crap happens all the time with aldermen and regular owners in general, and it p*sses me off! Grab the low bidder so you get an inferior product with most likely a higher price once all the change orders are dealt with.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Apr 7 2005, 01:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Apr 7 2005, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Governments get sloppy when they have been in power for 15 years.

Who is to say whether Day would have been in this same position.

I just want the Liberals to burn bright for this.

Scandal was a major player in reducing the Liberals to a sideshow through much of the 80's, scandal was a major player in reducing the Conservatives to a sideshow through much of the 90's and now . . . . . . history playing out again.

Although this seems to be an elevated game of direct corruption from what you've seen publicly before. Cash is involved rather than illicit use of public airplanes. People should go to jail.

And they're merely confirming that I think Jean Chretien is a criminal who should do time.

That's a lot of Francophone names in there as well if you don't mind my saying so . . . and I'm not saying that from some redneck phobia.

Cowperson [/b][/quote]
There are a few Italian names in there that should roast too. It sure begs an answer to whether they REALLY spent $1 to 2 billion on creating a gun registry or did some of that money get used elsewhere. I'd like to see the books before all the shredding starts.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally posted by Sammie@Apr 7 2005, 02:50 PM
It sure begs an answer to whether they REALLY spent $1 to 2 billion on creating a gun registry or did some of that money get used elsewhere. I'd like to see the books before all the shredding starts.

Holy crap! That would almost make sense wouldn't it. I don't really care whether gun registry succeeds or not, but the amount of money it took is ridiculous. It wouldn't matter if I saw the books or not though... I have to rely on the wife to balance the cheque book, and I just get an allowance. :/

[Tron_fdc]

Corruption after 15 years in power.......

Anyone wondering what Klein might be up to these days??

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Apr 7 2005, 12:25 PM
That's a lot of Francophone names in there as well if you don't mind my saying so . . . and I'm not saying that from some redneck phobia.

Cowperson

Well it is logical to assume that a criminal scheme based in Quebec would involve Quebecois participants.

And I agree Sammie. Chances are that this wasnt the only corrupt scheme the Liberals engaged in. I think at this point we need more than an enquiry, but a wholesale investigation into Jean Chretien and his government.

Afterall, we have billions that went missing from the HRDC deparment. We have Shawinigate. We have Adscam.

Doesnt take a genius to see a pattern.

[Table 5]

Originally posted by fotze@Apr 7 2005, 02:59 PM
Because he's the only one who questions when the city blows it's money on stupid shinguard like 20 million dollars on the science centre, but awards structures like bridges to be given to the lowest bidder who will change order to death to make back the moeny resulting in litigation, massive cost overruns and a ugly ass structure.

He does seem like a bit of a jackpot though.

how is a science centre "stupid shinguard" ? have you been to the old one? its an absolute disgrace.

McIver just loves to whine. He opposes EVERYTHING. This guy actually proposed that the new library be moved to the convention centre, and that a new convention centre be built out in the suburbs. I dont think I have to explain the reasons for how assinine that is...

If decisions were up to him, nothing would ever get built in this city, and Calgary would be the size of Airdrie. There is something to be said for being prudent, but this guy hates ANY sort of change.

[Resolute 14]

I can guess which suburb McIver wanted that new Convention Centre...

Through observation, it seems to me that McIver opposes any and every project that spends money outside of his riding, but approves of any spent within.

[transplant99]

The whole thing sounds and feels like a goddamn mafia movie...and a bad one at that.

But hey....Liberals are good and Conservatives are bad.

What a crock.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by transplant99@Apr 8 2005, 01:23 PM
The whole thing sounds and feels like a goddamn mafia movie...and a bad one at that.

But hey....Liberals are good and Conservatives are bad.

What a crock.

"Canada's Watergate," by the National Posts political columnist Don Martin.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpos...c1-35b9bc4027c1

Cowperson

[I_H8_Crawford]

I agree with CP - I want to see some arrests, and I too would like to see Jean hauled away in cuffs, especially if this is all true and it does go all the way up to the PMs office. But they don't call him "Teflon Jean" for nothing - I have a nasty feeling that even if there's video, pictures and irrefutable testimony incriminating Chretien, he will avoid prison somehow...