iPhone on Rogers - General iPhone on Rogers / Fido discussions

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by llama64

Probably a stupid question but... the Roger's iPhone won't be locked to only use Roger's wifi spots right? As in, I won't be able to connect it to my personal home network and others that I have access keys to?

Doubt this is the case, but I want to confirm it.

My understanding is that is will work on all wifi spots, but they will cost you if they're not Rogers. So, if you're home network is Telus or Shaw, you will be charged for linking up on your iphone.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

My understanding is that is will work on all wifi spots, but they will cost you if they're not Rogers. So, if you're home network is Telus or Shaw, you will be charged for linking up on your iphone.

Incorrect.

You can use any Wi-Fi spot, as long as you have the password, or its free.

[HotHotHeat]

Ya, I don't think there's any way to regulate use of an unsecured wifi access point.

[Burninator]

I have a first gen unlocked iPhone. I probably won't be getting a data plan. Will I be able to use the Wi-Fi hot spots? And is it possible for me to have visual voice mail?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by HOOT

This is a coverage map of the largest company in Iceland, Siminn:

Now that we know Iceland is a bit smaller than Kentuky we can see from this map just how much they actually have to cover compared to Canada.

Basically their coverage would have to go on the outsides of the KY border.

Futuremore Iceland has the laregest mobile phone users per capita in the world. As of 2005 103.4% of the population of Iceland were using mobile phones, while Canada was sitting below 60% of their population.

So in having to cover a coast line of about 4,970km, which is about equal to covering Highway 1 from Vancouver to Toronto, would be very cheap to maintain compared to the infustructer that a Canadian company would have to maintain regardless of having more actual customers. Not to mention Canada has one of the lowest population densities in the world.

I also took a look at the Siminn website. They have one mobile plan "Unsurpassable" which includes 300 minutes, 180 TXT, 3MB Data for the price of 4,990 ISK (~$65 CND).

Doesn't sound like that great of a deal to me!

The coverage map is where the inhabitable area is, the non coverage is what we call 'northern desert' like areas So yeah that coverage is exactly what we need, if you are in the non coverage areas you'll be in large 4x4 trucks/jeeps with GPS, CB radio and lots of safety kits.

BTW translating CAD to Islandic Kronur is funny, since the average salary in Iceland is much higher compared to us here, things cost way more in Iceland and people get paid much more than we do.

Siminn btw is the old national telecom, long been the most expensive and badly liked by the population. The one thing about Iceland is that you can buy your phone, own your phone number and pick/choose whatever provider you want.

If you talk about Canada pays more because the USA is so big and has such great infrastructure, well thats the reason Iceland was brought up since it has little competition, its a tiny population and yet it has a lot better system than Canada does.. Also prices by comparison factoring in the income's of Icelanders.

Iceland is often in the top place of the worlds most expensive places to live, things there cost crazy amounts in comparison to us, yet they find reasonable rates on cell phones. Its that which bothers me, since they can have affordable rates, why can't a country (yes we're large land size) with such a large population not do much better than a tiny north atlantic country?

If Canada is comparable to rates to Iceland, this is a horrific day for all us here

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by llama64

Probably a stupid question but... the Roger's iPhone won't be locked to only use Roger's wifi spots right? As in, I won't be able to connect it to my personal home network and others that I have access keys to?

Doubt this is the case, but I want to confirm it.

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

My understanding is that is will work on all wifi spots, but they will cost you if they're not Rogers. So, if you're home network is Telus or Shaw, you will be charged for linking up on your iphone.

Originally Posted by Tyler

Incorrect.

You can use any Wi-Fi spot, as long as you have the password, or its free.

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Ya, I don't think there's any way to regulate use of an unsecured wifi access point.

To be clear, I was speaking specifically of public wifi. The different carriers each have their own brand of public wifi setup at various places throughout the country...

In Calgary, and on Rogers, this means Second Cup locations.

As it relates to the iPhone...

With the agreement of a 3 year contract, from Rogers, on an iPhone, you are granted free access to their public wifi spots (see above). If you wish to use public wifi at other places in the city, you will have to pay for it (unless it's being offered free, of course).

Again, note that this is only for public wifi... what you do in your own home or office with a wireless router that you have access to, is completely free and of your own accord.

[Barnes]

Hmm.... an iPhone with no data plan for that price may reverse my decision to not get one.

Oh, and don't for one second think that Rogers is doing this because of public pressure.

Apparently, Apple has diverted a buttcrapload of iPhones from Canada to Europe because their not happy with Rogers.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Barnes

Hmm.... an iPhone with no data plan for that price may reverse my decision to not get one.

Oh, and don't for one second think that Rogers is doing this because of public pressure.

Apparently, Apple has diverted a buttcrapload of iPhones from Canada to Europe because their not happy with Rogers.

Music to my ears!

[HotHotHeat]

Yikes, there's reports of a fallout between Apple and Rogers on Howard forums.

[FanIn80]

Aye, was reading it earlier. There's been some updates on a couple blogs, etc.

On one hand, I like Apple laying the smack down... but on the other hand, I'm not so crazy about them shorting the market.

[Barnes]

Recent Joy of Tech cartoon

[arsenal]

Nice comic.
Too bad the consumers will have no effect on the actual pricing.
The only thing that could have an effect, is Apple essentially pulling the iPhone completely from canada. Which I would be fine with, until Rogers comes up with a decent data plan.

[Barnes]

The scary thing is, Rogers is lying about average data usage by basing the estimates on BB and Win mobile smartphone data. People aren't going to realize how much data can be easily consumed on an iPhone because they were lied to by Rogers and assume they can use the phone as designed and will receive an enormous bill the first month of their contract.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by arsenal

Nice comic.
Too bad the consumers will have no effect on the actual pricing.
The only thing that could have an effect, is Apple essentially pulling the iPhone completely from canada. Which I would be fine with, until Rogers comes up with a decent data plan.

Well, if consumers actually refrain from buying the darn thing that would be good.

There is no phone out on the market in Canada that has all the same features that the iPhone has. I know because I'm desperately trying to find a decent substitute since I really don't want to give Roger's my money. Because of this fact (and not because it's "pretty"), I think Roger's is in a very good position to charge whatever they want. Thing is, Roger's functions in a near monopoly, rendering most "market forces" mute. The only way to hurt Roger's on this is to not buy a GSM phone in Canada at all. Given how ty the phones on Bell/Telus are, it's kinda hard to do that.

Thing is, even Apple couldn't change Roger's plans. All Apple will care about is that it is seen as the benevolent style god that is being abused by the evil mobility company. It's total PR and marketing and it's so transparent it's awe inspiring.

[arsenal]

There was a link to a site on howardforums, that did a quick break down of how many page views a day you will be able to do on your iPhone a month, and how many MB it was.
Essentially came down to about 12 page views a day, and that got you to around 450MB. So the cheapest plan from rogers, you are 50MB over. At $0.50/mb over your limit, that's an extra $25 on your bill right there.

I wish i could find the site, it was broken down nicely. And sites like youtube, facebook, myspace where not even included.
It was all "geek" type sites like engadget, etc.

Even on the most expensive plan, you are in danger of going over. It might almost be better to buy the phone from AT&T and deal with the roaming charges...

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by llama64

Well, if consumers actually refrain from buying the darn thing that would be good.

There is no phone out on the market in Canada that has all the same features that the iPhone has. I know because I'm desperately trying to find a decent substitute since I really don't want to give Roger's my money. Because of this fact (and not because it's "pretty"), I think Roger's is in a very good position to charge whatever they want. Thing is, Roger's functions in a near monopoly, rendering most "market forces" mute. The only way to hurt Roger's on this is to not buy a GSM phone in Canada at all. Given how ty the phones on Bell/Telus are, it's kinda hard to do that.

Thing is, even Apple couldn't change Roger's plans. All Apple will care about is that it is seen as the benevolent style god that is being abused by the evil mobility company. It's total PR and marketing and it's so transparent it's awe inspiring.

yah.. that is the problem. I switched to rogers when my telus plan was over for 2 reasons.
1) GSM
2) iPhone.

So I guess I am part of the problem, they are getting my money currently, but i will not buy an iPhone at any point, resign with rogers for an extra 3 years, until the data plans are decent.

After the auction is over, if there is another gsm player in canada, then i will probably buy out my rogers contract and move to them, provided it makes sense.

[arsenal]

Good article in the Toronto Star by Michael Geist.

Yet the bigger story is how the Canadian version of the device features a triple lock that is the result of onerous contracts, technological locks and a legislative proposal from Industry Minister Jim Prentice that simultaneously locks consumers in, while locking the competition out.

http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/article/455325

It also delves a bit in into bill C-61.
Good read for anyone that uses a cell phone, not just interested in the iPhone.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by arsenal

Good article in the Toronto Star by Michael Geist.



http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/article/455325

It also delves a bit in into bill C-61.
Good read for anyone that uses a cell phone, not just interested in the iPhone.

Yeah, kinda interesting how the party that supposedly supports free market seems to pander more towards propping up established anti-competitive legislation.

[arsenal]

I found that article relating to browsing usage.
http://www.gadgetaddiction.com/news/...iphone-really/

The banner image is quite suggestive, and may be NSFW, but can easily be hidden when viewing the article.

The browsing breakdown is in part 2.

Now most of us don’t simply browse the main page of our favourite sites. So let’s put together a plausible week of data-usage. Say you like the theatre and check showtimes once a week. You dig the articles at Digg daily, let’s say 2 per day 5 days a week. Engadget, Gizmodo, and Techcrunch every weekday, 3 articles a day. You get your game fix at Gamespot three times a week, and read a 2-page preview/review every week.
[Keep in mind every action has an initial hit to the main page]
Cineplex.com: 978kb (x2)
Digg.com: 466kb (x15)
Engadget.com: 1209kb (x20)
Techcrunch.com: 1417kb (x20)
Gizmodo.com: 1726kb (x20)
Gamespot.com: 748kb (x5)
Weekly data usage: 76MB (82 page views)
Monthly: approx. 451MB (369 page views)

[calculoso]

There is still lots of confusion. Latest posts (although unofficial) are showing:
- with $30/300MB data plan, no free public wifi
- can't get visual voicemail without iPhone plan, although there was talk of a $8 a-la-carte visual voicemail option
- Can't use a family plan

Here we are, 4 days from the launch, and they're still making up the rules. What a company....