07-04-2008, 07:05 PM
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I'll have to check out the actual publication coming out, but Richard Gage still makes a damn fine argument that suggests otherwise. For those of you haven't seen it, check out his presentations on Youtube, particularly his speech at the University of Manitoba.
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07-04-2008, 07:07 PM
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A New York Times/CBS News poll in 2006 found that 53% of those questioned thought the Bush administration was hiding something. Another US poll found a third of those questioned thought government officials either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or allowed them to happen.
That's a lot of crazy people!
So to recap, sky scrapers can withstand hurricanes and earthquakes, but not a fire so small no one really even noticed it.
God bless America.
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07-04-2008, 07:24 PM
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Had an idea!
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More like a lot of stupid people that tend to believe in conspiracy's instead of actually listening to the structural engineers who investigated the aftermath.
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07-04-2008, 07:37 PM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
A New York Times/CBS News poll in 2006 found that 53% of those questioned thought the Bush administration was hiding something. Another US poll found a third of those questioned thought government officials either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or allowed them to happen.
That's a lot of crazy people!
So to recap, sky scrapers can withstand hurricanes and earthquakes, but not a fire so small no one really even noticed it.
God bless America.
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I guarantee you those poll results have to do with the way the questions were worded. The first one makes sense. Of course Bush is hiding things. That's exactly what intelligence is. Their are entire organizations that work without disclosing their actions to the public. Informed people would answer 100% that the administration is hiding things. It would be impossible to conduct investigation if they weren't.
As for the second question I love how no sources are given, while clear sources are given for the first poll. The second one is referred to as "another US poll". What does that mean? They went to the local bus stop and polled some people?
So to recap, how many earthquakes and hurricanes have their been in NY that these skyscrapers have withstood?
I'm pretty sure it was the fires (which result in the smoke pouring out of the building that can clearly be seen) in combination with the massive amounts of cement falling on the building and tearing off a face of it that made it fall over.
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07-04-2008, 07:43 PM
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That article also refers to the building falling straight down instead of following the path of least resistance. Unfortunately the only direction gravity pulls objects is "down", so that part is designed to mislead readers.
Unlike the main towers it appears a lower floor colapsed first, which does make it look like a contolled demolition, because that's how demolition people bring down big buildings.
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07-04-2008, 07:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulcan
It looked like a demolition job to me but maybe looks can be deceiving?
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I'm no expert, but the way the twin towers came down looked like demolitions to me too.
Maybe they were designed that way?
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07-04-2008, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
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Actually, it would be the 3rd structural steel building to collapse by fire.
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07-04-2008, 08:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
God bless America.
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So what the heck is that all about?
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07-04-2008, 08:52 PM
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Had an idea!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calculoso
I'm no expert, but the way the twin towers came down looked like demolitions to me too.
Maybe they were designed that way?
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If by designed you mean designed to fall in the direction that gravity goes, then yes you would be correct.
There have been computer simulations done by a university in the States somewhere that pretty much showcase exactly what happened.
But, I know a lot of 'twoofers' are ignoring that. So it isn't a surprise that the public doesn't understand it either. Its a lot easier, and probably more fun to just blame Bush for blowing the buildings up.
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07-04-2008, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
If by designed you mean designed to fall in the direction that gravity goes, then yes you would be correct.
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In other words, to completely spell it out for you, to basically implode instead of tip over.... No Jenga block towers in the real world.
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07-04-2008, 09:09 PM
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Had an idea!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by calculoso
In other words, to completely spell it out for you, to basically implode instead of tip over.... No Jenga block towers in the real world.
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Because it was built to come down that way?
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07-04-2008, 09:14 PM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Azure
Because it was built to come down that way?
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Exactly
The weight of any large building will cause it to fall down almost completely straight down. Buildings of that size simply weigh too much for them to fall sideways easily.
If the cause of the building is a structural support warping and then giving weigh, which it was in these cases, the buildings are bound to fall straight down.
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07-04-2008, 10:15 PM
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The one thing to this day that I really really can't wrap my head around about 9/11 is the phantom airplane that supposedly hit the Pentagon. WTF is up with that? Sorry to go a little off the topic of the thread, but it's related...
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07-05-2008, 12:11 AM
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Can't say much about tower seven, but I think the main reason for the way the twin towers fell had to do with where the planes hit them. If the planes had hit further off center (clipped a corner), the building may have tilted and fell to one side as one side would have collapsed first. Because they hit more towards the center of the side, most of the damage taken was to the middle of the building, making it buckle in the center first, and look more like a demolition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddIg...eature=related
I found a simulation of the damage taken by the first tower due to the impact.
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07-05-2008, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Azure
More like a lot of stupid people that tend to believe in conspiracy's instead of actually listening to the structural engineers who investigated the aftermath.
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Its a bigger problem, people believing in ghosts, psychics, astrology and other nonsense.
People start to take things without reason/logic, instead they go with these crazy theories.
Its a big problem in the USA, especially when such a large portion of that population believes in such nonsense as they do.
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07-05-2008, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by McMack
Actually, it would be the 3rd structural steel building to collapse by fire.
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Not according to the BBC article. I heard the other two towers were hit by a plane or something, shearing columns, followed by an explosion, followed by a fire. This tower collapsed almost solely by fire, at least that's what we're being fed. I don't see it and I've built a few of these towers but I guess anythings possible.
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07-05-2008, 12:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor
Its a bigger problem, people believing in ghosts, psychics, astrology and other nonsense.
People start to take things without reason/logic, instead they go with these crazy theories.
Its a big problem in the USA, especially when such a large portion of that population believes in such nonsense as they do.
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I'm not one for this "9/11 Truth" business, but I do think it is nonsensical to trust the current government in that country to tell the truth.
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07-05-2008, 02:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
I'm not one for this "9/11 Truth" business, but I do think it is nonsensical to trust the current government in that country to tell the truth.
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Yeah, I'm not saying this collapse explanation is a total crock but it's pretty stupid to just accept everything that comes from the government as the gospel either. Especially the latest known liars or do we just forget about recent history. In another 40 years or so a new generation will forget all about Bush and a new bull shipper will pull the same crap while the ones who remember or the few who see through it will be labeled conspiracy theorists.
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