Government on the brink?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Apr 5 2005, 05:48 PM
Interesting Rouge. I'm curious why the entire Conservative party loses your vote because of one man. Even admitting that Day turned out to be a giant mistake. Though I guess that is as good a reason as any when it comes to our politicians, I'm curious to know why.

Did you vote Reform before Day became the Alliance leader?

No I never voted for the Reform Party and I never would. The Green Party is ideologically closest to me probably. I would consider giving the Conservatives a "lesser of two evils" vote in an effort to punt the Liberals but that's about it.

Stockwell does taint the whole party. He is a stupid person who believes stupid things and I could not vote for a party that allows him to stick around. He believes the earth is 6 thousand years old and all the other nonsense that comes with that belief. That is enough for me to brand him "stupid". No offense of course to others that believe such a thing.

It's not a policy I save just for the Conservative Party. I wouldn't vote for the Green Party if a prominent member believed the moon was made of cheese or the earth was flat. That would reflect badly on the whole bunch as well and I'd have to find some other fringers to vote for.

There are a few others as well -- Jason Kenney comes to mind -- but Stockwell just sticks out. Until the Conservatives rid themselves of a few ######s then a lot of people won't vote for them, myself included. I don't even count though because the Conservative/Reform guy always wins where I live so my vote is not needed.

[Resolute 14]

If a stupid person who believes stupid things is enough to disqualify an entire party, then honestly, there is no party that deserves a vote

There are going to be boneheads in all parties. Racists like Heidi Fry represent the Liberals. The NDP... well, I guess I would be a homophobic bigot if I stated a dislike for Svend Robinson. He certantly would call me one.

I dunno. I think a party should be judged by it's policy, not by it's extremists.

[Claeren]

Stockwell Day was freely ELECTED by the party membership to be their LEADER.


That is more then just one person, that is THE person, a person who became THE person because he was knowingly elected by its party membership. A party membership that only seemed to realize his EXTREME right-wing religious/political/life views were (a) completely at odds with non-Alberta Canada's views, (b) actually quite odd and while able to stand up to scrutney from his fellow believers in Red Deer (and small town Alberta) were mocked for their simplicity/stupidity by anyone with half a brain and the desire to use it in proving the validity of their scepticism, and © would disqualify them from EVER running the country after they elected him. Something they still haven't fully grasped....



Claeren.

[peter12]

Originally posted by Claeren@Apr 5 2005, 07:05 PM
Stockwell Day was freely ELECTED by the party membership to be their LEADER.


That is more then just one person, that is THE person, a person who became THE person because he was knowingly elected by its party membership. A party membership that only seemed to realize his EXTREME right-wing religious/political/life views were (a) completely at odds with non-Alberta Canada's views, (b) actually quite odd and while able to stand up to scrutney from his fellow believers in Red Deer (and small town Alberta) were mocked for their simplicity/stupidity by anyone with half a brain and the desire to use it in proving the validity of their scepticism, and © would disqualify them from EVER running the country after they elected him. Something they still haven't fully grasped....



Claeren.

Look into the circumstances surrounding Day's victory over Manning. It might surprise you a bit.

The social conservatives are only a significant MINORITY within the CPC. Their present is completely blown out of proportion by Liberal spin doctors. Every party has their nutjobs on board. Alberta's conservatives are first and foremost a fiscal party, the social cons are basically the rural rednecks needed to win the overwhelming majorities. Klein has paid nothing but lipservice to our Social Cons and it is the exact same with Harper.

The majority of Canadian Cons are Tories or Fiscal.

[Agamemnon]

I used to vote Conservative.

Then I started reading (and I don't mean the Sun).

I don't know how anyone in their right mind could choose either the Liberals or the Conservatives. This situation reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Americans have to vote for Kang or Kodos, because a third-party vote was 'throwing their vote away'.

Ridiculous.

[peter12]

Originally posted by Agamemnon@Apr 5 2005, 07:28 PM
I used to vote Conservative.

Then I started reading (and I don't mean the Sun).

I don't know how anyone in their right mind could choose either the Liberals or the Conservatives. This situation reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Americans have to vote for Kang or Kodos, because a third-party vote was 'throwing their vote away'.

Ridiculous.

It IS pretty tough being a political science student. It's a tough choice, I was border line until I read some Tory stuff and of course Edmund Burke always makes sense to me.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Apr 5 2005, 06:51 PM
If a stupid person who believes stupid things is enough to disqualify an entire party, then honestly, there is no party that deserves a vote

There are going to be boneheads in all parties. Racists like Heidi Fry represent the Liberals. The NDP... well, I guess I would be a homophobic bigot if I stated a dislike for Svend Robinson. He certantly would call me one.

I dunno. I think a party should be judged by it's policy, not by it's extremists.

Fair enough if he was just a fringe extremist I'd never heard of, but he was the leader of the party and he's currently the Foreign Affairs critic. He would probably become a cabinet minister if the Conservatives were actually elected.

[nieuwy-89]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Apr 5 2005, 05:20 PM
Stockwell does taint the whole party. He is a stupid person who believes stupid things and I could not vote for a party that allows him to stick around.

The constituents in his BC riding elected him as their MP. It is pretty rare and extreme for a party to kick out a sitting member, such as Carolyn Parrish or Jack Ramsay. By "allowing him to stick around" the CPC is simply abiding by the democratic process that we use in Canada.

[Hakan]

Elsie Wayne is another low-life that makes it impossible for me to vote for the conservatives.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by fotze@Apr 6 2005, 01:35 AM
What a sad outlook on life if you think everyone would feel the exact same as you if they just read the same stuff. I don't want to live in that borg world.

Right... I suggest there are other parties to think about, which you say is akin to wanting everyone to live in a borg world. I see.

[V]

While we're talking low-lifes, I'll throw a name out there.

I'll never vote Liberal with that crook Paul Martin in the party.

I can't stand the NDP, fiscally especially.

Is there another option? I guess ideologically, but realistically, I'll vote Conservative as the lesser of three evils.

[nieuwy-89]

Originally posted by Hakan@Apr 5 2005, 06:55 PM
Elsie Wayne is another low-life that makes it impossible for me to vote for the conservatives.

Elsie Wayne retired in 2004.

[Hakan]

I'll vote for the NDP in spite of the Liberals. They deserve at least one chance at power.

[peter12]

Originally posted by Hakan@Apr 5 2005, 08:06 PM
I'll vote for the NDP in spite of the Liberals. They deserve at least one chance at power.

Their first and last shot. NDP government would shoot Alberta back to the NEP and the rest of Canada back in the misery of mounting deficit.

Besides, do you think any country would take us seriously with that idiot Jack Layton as PM? Think America is p*ssed at us now...

[transplant99]

Originally posted by Hakan@Apr 5 2005, 10:06 PM
I'll vote for the NDP in spite of the Liberals. They deserve at least one chance at power.

Why?

They have fataed up EVERY single chance at proving they are anything but incompetant....period.

Why in the world..."do they deserve a chance"???

Hilarious.

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Apr 5 2005, 06:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Apr 5 2005, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Snakeeye@Apr 5 2005, 06:51 PM
If a stupid person who believes stupid things is enough to disqualify an entire party, then honestly, there is no party that deserves a vote

There are going to be boneheads in all parties. Racists like Heidi Fry represent the Liberals. The NDP... well, I guess I would be a homophobic bigot if I stated a dislike for Svend Robinson. He certantly would call me one.

I dunno. I think a party should be judged by it's policy, not by it's extremists.

Fair enough if he was just a fringe extremist I'd never heard of, but he was the leader of the party and he's currently the Foreign Affairs critic. He would probably become a cabinet minister if the Conservatives were actually elected. [/b][/quote]
He was the leader of a party that doesnt exist. The CPC is considerably farther to the left than the CA was.

Your opinion is fair enough, however Day was an excellent finance minister in Klein's government, so I can't say I have much problem with him as a cabinet minister. He's not leadership material, which the CA found out the hard way, but his religious views arent really relevent in in the foreign affairs post.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

If the Conservatives ever want to really make some headway in the vote rich east, they'll need a leader from the east. As much as us in the West would love to have an Alberta born leader of government, many of the potential candidates to be have a stench of Reform about them that'll never fly East of Manitoba.

Heard much from the Conservatives? Nope - unfortunately, Harper is proving to be quite the wall flower. Not exactly winning the hearts and minds of voters from behind his press releases. I've heard that Stephen would have made a great university prof, and is very much a reluctant leader in the spotlight.

It would be interesting to see what happens if Belinda were to emerge as the next Conservative leader. She appears to me to have the fiscal conservative, socially moderate bent that I'd look for. Still not convinced she has the political savvy to maneuver in Canadian politics though. Nothing a good Chief of Staff / Prime Minister's Office couldn't take care of.

[Resolute 14]

You may be right, IHH. And that fact, while insulting to a good 10 million people in this country, might have been palatable if the Eastern contenders werent Red Torys like Sranach and McKay.

Liberal Lite minus the corruption.

[browna]

I think the Conseravtives are smart to wait it out a week or so and see what else gets shaken off the Liberal Sponsorship tree. Get more concrete facts out there, and have the Libs pujure themselves as a party further.

Harper saying anything or inferring anything at this point would be risky.

Just an aside, one of the horrors that has dawned on me as I've gone through some playoff footage from last year is the realization that I have some NDP campagin ads on there....there's Jack Layton, talking and shaking hands with people in every ethic and age class other then the single, white, union-supporting males that actually do vote for him...then ends the commercial by saying something with that shat eating smirk on his face, like he just sold his 2nd washer and dryer combo of the day at the Brick.

His demeanor, and backhanded comments meant to gain him some cheap airtime and attempt to weakly stir the pot, is pretty much all that is wrong with the NDP.

[peter12]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Apr 5 2005, 08:38 PM
You may be right, IHH. And that fact, while insulting to a good 10 million people in this country, might have been palatable if the Eastern contenders werent Red Torys like Sranach and McKay.

Liberal Lite minus the corruption.

And why is that a bad thing?