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fredr123 · 06-19-2008, 08:25 AM

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...NWFDWAg-mVfleg

A Canadian court has lifted a 12-year-old girl's grounding, overturning her father's punishment for disobeying his orders to stay off the Internet, his lawyer said Wednesday.

The girl had taken her father to Quebec Superior Court after he refused to allow her to go on a school trip for chatting on websites he tried to block, and then posting "inappropriate" pictures of herself online using a friend's computer.

The Ditch · 06-19-2008, 08:29 AM

That child is never going to listen to her parents again and I can't believe this article is real, what kind of example are they setting with this. A parent tries to do something good and gets shot down.

This isn't real is it?

Bring_Back_Shantz · 06-19-2008, 08:36 AM

What the hell?
I seriously hope this isn't real.

What kind of ######ed judge would actually waste time on this, let alone set a precedient that parents really don't have a right to dicipline thier children?

CaptainCrunch · 06-19-2008, 08:40 AM

Que the massive court docket because of one idiot judge.

Frankly its true, the road to hell is littered with the best of intentions. This softer then marshmellow judge who probably thinks he's upholding child rights has just proven that the courts in this country have way to much arbitrary power.

I feel sorry for the dad, it sounds like the kid is a little snot, and now there's nothing that he can do to prevent his daughter from ending up as a spoiled pole swinging stripper when she's 18.

One thing that pisses me off about this country was that somewhere along the line the governments and the courts thought that social engineering was a good thing.

I sentence the judge to look after that bratty 12 year old for a year without being able to lecture, ground or punish her and see how she turns out.

BlackArcher101 · 06-19-2008, 08:49 AM

Sounds like there is more to the story perhaps.

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Beaudoin noted the girl used a court-appointed lawyer in her parents' 10-year custody dispute to launch her landmark case against dear old dad.

My bet... the mother, in order to win custody, influenced the girl to take her dad to court for this issue. Classic parents using the kid(s) to get back at the other partner.

mykalberta · 06-19-2008, 08:56 AM

Story is true, was on CBC Newsworld.

Again, court has no buisness in the home unless a law is being broken. If there is no extraordinary physical abuse taking place then Guardianship is the parents responisbility not the courts.

What a joke, a classic case on how our legal system is no different from the Americans, in fact with this kind of BS it might be worse.

CaptainCrunch · 06-19-2008, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

Sounds like there is more to the story perhaps.

My bet... the mother, in order to win custody, influenced the girl to take her dad to court for this issue. Classic parents using the kid(s) to get back at the other partner.

If thats true, the moms a dirtbag and the lawyer is unethical.

FlamesAddiction · 06-19-2008, 09:25 AM

Pretty dumb, but something to consider is that maybe the school trip was considered important for her education. If she wasn't allowed on the trip and then it became incorproated into an assignment or test, then that wouldn't be an appropriate punishment.

The article doesn't seem to have a lot of detail.

Phaneuf3 · 06-19-2008, 10:04 AM

Wow, that's horrible. I had to double check that you hadn't linked to the onion by mistake.

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I feel sorry for the dad, it sounds like the kid is a little snot, and now there's nothing that he can do to prevent his daughter from ending up as a spoiled pole swinging stripper when she's 18.

On the other hand, if this prediction is correct, I fully support this judge.

Traditional_Ale · 06-19-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Pretty dumb, but something to consider is that maybe the school trip was considered important for her education. If she wasn't allowed on the trip and then it became incorproated into an assignment or test, then that wouldn't be an appropriate punishment.

The article doesn't seem to have a lot of detail.

School trips for 12 year olds are not generally racked with data imperative to the success of their education. Its usually more like a day trip with a little school, and a lot of capture the flag.

Boblobla · 06-19-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

School trips for 12 year olds are not generally racked with data imperative to the success of their education. Its usually more like a day trip with a little school, and a lot of capture the flag.

I bet too much homework would come out of said trip though...

mykalberta · 06-19-2008, 10:14 AM

I guess people shouldnt really be surprised by this BS ruling when our own politicians are close to making this law.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...8?hub=Politics

Another instance where the SC should be told to but out.

CaptainCrunch · 06-19-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Pretty dumb, but something to consider is that maybe the school trip was considered important for her education. If she wasn't allowed on the trip and then it became incorproated into an assignment or test, then that wouldn't be an appropriate punishment.

The article doesn't seem to have a lot of detail.

This kid openly defies her dad. Has as her father put it broken the rules multiple times. Chats on websites that he doesn't want her on, and posts inappropriate pictures of herself on line.

Frankly there are two things that pop into my mind.

1) Does she really care about a field trip that would be crucial to her education, or is it one of those fun field trips with her friends.

2) Who the hell is she chatting with online? Some 40 year old guy posing as a 12 year old? It sounds like her dads trying to protect her.

Shame on the judge, he should be removed from the bench.

If I was her dad, she'd be going to a private school run by nuns, I'd bust that computer with a sledge hammer when I got home.

llama64 · 06-19-2008, 10:18 AM

Hopefully the father appeals.

Any appeals court would overturn this ruling in a heartbeat as unconstitutional. Next the judge would be brought under review and the lawyer would face being declared an enemy of the court.

Well, that's my hope.

Phaneuf3 · 06-19-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If I was her dad, she'd be going to a private school run by nuns, I'd bust that computer with a sledge hammer when I got home.

Well I certainly hope you're not a parent!

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!?

dissentowner · 06-19-2008, 10:21 AM

I have no doubt the father will win his appeal. My question is why he allowed the girl to go live with her mother if he has custody?? Get your ass home!

fredr123 · 06-19-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If I was her dad, she'd be going to a private school run by nuns.

A classmate of mine was sent here by her parents: http://catholicanada.com/web/index.p...2353&Itemid=27

I hear it's THE place to send troubled girls.

ericschand · 06-19-2008, 10:26 AM

Without more details, it's hard to decipher what really happened.

This article has more details on the situation:

http://www.dose .ca/news/story.html?id=6aaf855 a-47e3-4e3f-870 9-5b53dcfffff0

The father doesn't want the daughter back, obviously since he now
has no authority over her.

The mother used the daughter to get back at the father. It says the
daughter is with the mother, but father has custody. The mother
sided with the daughter, saying missing the trip was too harsh a
punishment.

Best guess is that the courts allowed her to have a lawyer because she
is 12, and in the midst of a 10 year custody battle. That's probably
the only reason it even saw a court. At 12 the child is allowed some
input into where they live.

At that point the judge has to make a decision.

ers

fredr123 · 06-19-2008, 10:33 AM

I'm sure troutman can back me up on this, but there are some pretty absurd things that make it before a judge during contested custody battles. Holiday schedules, locations and methods for pickup, who pays for ballet lessons and pony boarding costs, etc. Parents squabble over having access to the child's passport to take them on vacation.

Out of context, the article seems extreme. On the other hand, it's probably within the realm of what you might see in any given week here in Calgary. Sadly...

CaptainCrunch · 06-19-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Well I certainly hope you're not a parent!

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!?

What do you think I'm doing.

I wasn't going to hit her with the sledgehammer.