Conservatives try to bribe independent MP?

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Slava

^ That is ridiculous if true. Why didn't Harper come out right away and say that he simplay didn't say that from the beginning though? This whole affair makes less and less sense as it goes along...

Makes sense if you want someone to continue making statements that you can use against them in the future if you know you are clean.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by troutman

Was there ever a thread here about the Bernier affair?

Are the PCs getting treated with kid gloves here?

Was waiting for something on it, nothing ever came.

Still dont know the exact details of it are, hard to follow even when Duffy tries to explains it.

[Bobblehead]

The people who created this tape need to be put on trial. it is a serious crime. If the Liberal party, or executives in the Liberal party, knew the tape was fabricated, they too should be brought up on charges.

Although I am a little leery that the firm who found the discrepancies was hired by the CPC. This needs to be confirmed by someone who isn't being paid by one of the principles in the case.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Slava

Peter, I realise that he went through the same security checks as everyone else, unfortunately that doesn't absolve the CPC of everything here. If he were a liberal or an NDPer for that matter there would be an enormous outcry, but because he's a PCer and this is a Calgary board its all basically ignored.

I don't agree with this at all, I just think that people on this board didn't pay much attention to it, which is too bad because the story had everything, a blown security situation, boobs, incompetance, boobs, shock value, boobs, missing top secret documents, boobs, bugging bed springs and boobs.

We should have had an 80 page debate by now.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't agree with this at all, I just think that people on this board didn't pay much attention to it, which is too bad because the story had everything, a blown security situation, boobs, incompetance, boobs, shock value, boobs, missing top secret documents, boobs, bugging bed springs and boobs.

We should have had an 80 page debate by now.

I couldn't agree more! Whats this you say about boobs though? Let me be the first to state that this thread is now useless without pics!

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Slava

I couldn't agree more! Whats this you say about boobs though? Let me be the first to state that this thread is now useless without pics!

[Bobblehead]

When watching his ex describe what happened, beyond the obvious worries, I was thinking "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

[Slava]

This article appears to state that the "editing and doctoring" of the tape was the addition of some white noise and 8 minutes that were not included. If the words of Harper and there and unaltered then there are still a lot of questions here:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...e.html?ref=rss

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Slava

This article appears to state that the "editing and doctoring" of the tape was the addition of some white noise and 8 minutes that were not included. If the words of Harper and there and unaltered then there are still a lot of questions here:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...e.html?ref=rss

Pshaw, that article comes from the CBC, a known Liberal-Commie propaganda mouthpiece. Can you find that same info from an unbiased, reputable source like the Western Standard?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Pshaw, that article comes from the CBC, a known Liberal-Commie propaganda mouthpiece. Can you find that same info from an unbiased, reputable source like the Western Standard?

hahaha! Nice work!

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by Slava

This article appears to state that the "editing and doctoring" of the tape was the addition of some white noise and 8 minutes that were not included. If the words of Harper and there and unaltered then there are still a lot of questions here:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...e.html?ref=rss

Questions to be answered like what? More details on the already explained "financial considerations" that everyone in the PC party has admitted to (i.e. the loan for campaign expenses)?

Or perhaps Cadman is being brought back from the dead to yet again state that nothing else was offered?

This story that was never a story was as dead as Cadman a long time ago.

[CaptainCrunch]

This was only a story because the Liberal's wanted an easy propaganda piece. But its good to see it blow up in their faces, and its good to see that it further harms the credibility of that party.

[calculoso]

What a circus:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

The author who recorded an interview with Prime Minister Stephen Harper about alleged "financial considerations" offered to the late MP Chuck Cadman has categorically denied the tape was doctored.
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He said the only break in his tape may have occurred during the interview when Harper appeared to have ended the conversation. But Harper then turned back to add something to the interview and Zytaruk said he immediately turned his recorder back on.
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In a taped interview with Zytaruk, Harper allegedly says, "The offer to Chuck was that it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election.''

Directly answering the question if he had made any changes to the tape, Zytaruk said flatly: "I would have to have rocks in my head to do something like that. Certainly, all of Canada would agree."
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Moore added that two audio recording experts his party has consulted are prepared to testify that "the tapes have been altered in a way that misrepresents the original conversation."
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Earlier on Wednesday, Moore had said the tape was incomplete. He said the "tape was doctored by inserting a sound clip that was fabricated."
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Cadman's daughter said her father told her, on his deathbed, about an offer of an insurance policy and other enticements in exchange for his vote on a 2005 budget vote.

"My father told me directly that he had been offered a million-dollar life insurance policy by the Conservatives," Jodi Cadman said.

(a) If the author merely turned the tape recorder off and then on, how did the 'fabricated sound clip' get added?

(b) On the recording (doctored or not), does it actually say anything about an insurance policy or just 'financial considerations', which is about as vague as someone can get?

Obviously, we're never going to get the proof needed to confirm or deny this one way or another. It's turned into a "He-said She-said battle", which we all know goes no where.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by calculoso

What a circus:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories


(a) If the author merely turned the tape recorder off and then on, how did the 'fabricated sound clip' get added?

(b) On the recording (doctored or not), does it actually say anything about an insurance policy or just 'financial considerations', which is about as vague as someone can get?

Obviously, we're never going to get the proof needed to confirm or deny this one way or another. It's turned into a "He-said She-said battle", which we all know goes no where.

I'd still like to see some proof that any insurance company on the planet is going to cover a dying man with cancer. Thats why this story is so ridiculous and comes across as one big deception campaign.

Plus I never accused the writer of altering the tape, I think its more logical that the Liberals altered the tape.

But maybe we should spend 20 million on a commons committee to get to the truth of the matter.

[Slava]

^ C'mon Captain even you can't believe that its "logical" for the Liberals to alter the tape?!

There is no insurance company that will insure a man dying of cancer; but there are unscrupulous people looking to buy votes who would "self-insure" that deal.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Slava

^ C'mon Captain even you can't believe that its "logical" for the Liberals to alter the tape?!

There is no insurance company that will insure a man dying of cancer; but there are unscrupulous people looking to buy votes who would "self-insure" that deal.

I also didn't think it would be real life for a government official to pass an envelope stuffed with 100 dollar bills to a contractor in a restaurant like a bad detective movie, but there it is.

I put nothing past the liberals, I would like to see some kind of trail on that tape, whose hands it went through. But I would put nothing past a divided basically conflicted desperate party.

I doubt very much that there was self-insuring, if there was then they wouldn't have talked about life insurance parties, they would have delivered a brief case full of bills.

I have a lot of trouble believing the Liberals and the Cadman family, but it is sensational enough to sell books.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Slava

^ C'mon Captain even you can't believe that its "logical" for the Liberals to alter the tape?!

There is no insurance company that will insure a man dying of cancer; but there are unscrupulous people looking to buy votes who would "self-insure" that deal.

The question still stands... who would "self-insure" a dying man for a million bucks.

[Slava]

^ Just because there is no one coming forward to say that they would've paid the million bucks now doesn't mean that it wasn't the case.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Slava

^ Just because there is no one coming forward to say that they would've paid the million bucks now doesn't mean that it wasn't the case.

That is such a desperate leap of logic.

[Slava]

Peter, my point here is that no one is going to come forward now and say that "I would've paid the million bucks to bring the Liberal government down three years ago." But just because no one comes forward now to say it doesn't mean that it wasn't arranged back then. I fail to see how this is a desparate leap of logic?