Democratic Presidential Primaries 2008

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I stated a few weeks ago, that I thought that McCain had a very good chance at taking the white house, however all three candidates are seriously flawed, this is probably the weakest potential election class in a long time.

Considering the man who's been in the white house for the last 8 years, and the fairly lame Democratic candidate last time around, how can you even say such a thing?

I think all 3 candidates have their flaws, but to be honest, I would be fairly comfortable with any of them...even crazy-ass Hillary.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Considering the man who's been in the white house for the last 8 years, and the fairly lame Democratic candidate last time around, how can you even say such a thing?

I think all 3 candidates have their flaws, but to be honest, I would be fairly comfortable with any of them...even crazy-ass Hillary.

I'm not even coming close to comparing these candidates to George W Bush, he has no bearing in my opinion to the coming election, basically because McCain is a polar opposite to him. The last two elections the Dems have basically fed weak candidates to the Republican machine.

I think its more of the same in this election, not the McCain is a saint or anything like that, but even the biggest Republican hater has to admit that McCain has some pretty good chops, especially after the gong show Democratic rundown between Obama and Clinton, neither of whom, I'd vote for to run the U.S.

Just my opinion.

[Phaneuf3]

I'm going to laugh very very hard at the democrats if they manage to botch this. After 8 years of Bush, this election should have been the 3" tap in putt. I can definitely see things going wrong for them after the watching Hillary self destruct and try to take Obama down with her.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by Azure

I think Obama's economic policies will be his downfall. If people would actually bother to pay attention to them.

Not sure though....could be close, could be a landslide either way.

I can only go from my experience as an American voter, but traditionally Democrats have a hard time getting their people to actually vote. They get tons of people to register, but when it comes down to brass tacks, they don't show up.

Keep an eye on state ballot measures/amendments, Republicans are very good at getting their voters to the polls for hot button issues at the state level.

I can see a lot of Dems being upset with how the nominee pans out. Folks will stay home, vote for McCain or for a third party in protest. Now, this could also happen with McCain not being considered "conservative" enough, that is why his choice for a running mate is important.

I'm also a member of the Teamsters Union, Obama has won their endorsement. I cannot tell you one member I work with that is going to vote Obama. Most of my co-workers are relatively uneducated on the political level, and aren't going to vote for him due to race, their perception of his religious views, the perception of his wife, or his platform. I'm not going to speculate in what order they are making thier decisions.

Personally, I will likely vote Libertarian, or a write in. My only hope out of the big 3 is that McCain will win and become more of the "Maverick" he used to be considered once in office.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

I'm also a member of the Teamsters Union, Obama has won their endorsement.

I find it comical that the Teamsters support an open-border candidate.

To me, it should be the most (only) relevant issue to a them.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm not even coming close to comparing these candidates to George W Bush, he has no bearing in my opinion to the coming election, basically because McCain is a polar opposite to him. The last two elections the Dems have basically fed weak candidates to the Republican machine.

I think its more of the same in this election, not the McCain is a saint or anything like that, but even the biggest Republican hater has to admit that McCain has some pretty good chops, especially after the gong show Democratic rundown between Obama and Clinton, neither of whom, I'd vote for to run the U.S.

Just my opinion.

Well, you're of course entitled to that opinion, but if you are going to make a statement of it being the weakest election class in a long time, you sort of HAVE to include the guys who ran for the job the last few years, including the one who won. You can't take Bush out of the equation just because it's convenient.

Do you really see any of these candidates doing worse than him? I mean, yes, they all have their flaws, but man, how can this not be anything but a win-win? Anything is possible, but the next president would have to crap the bed pretty badly for things to not start looking up for this country. If nothing else, either of the two candidates can atleast handle themselves with respect and class, are intelligent men who won't constantly embarras country in front of other world leaders, and have a semblance of wanting to do good for their country, and not just their buddies.

I would be satisfied if either Obama (paired with a strong team of foreign policy experts) or McCain would be president. I really think it's a positive election year, and if nothing else, a level of respect and honor will be brought back to the presidency.

And btw, I do agree the last two elections for the Democrats have been rather weak (even Al Gore only gained his momentum after his loss, during his election year he was rather uninspiring).

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

I'm going to laugh very very hard at the democrats if they manage to botch this. After 8 years of Bush, this election should have been the 3" tap in putt. I can definitely see things going wrong for them after the watching Hillary self destruct and try to take Obama down with her.

They did a fantastic job of botching the election after 4 years of Bush, I have no doubt they have the capacity to botch it after 8. Hillary is doing her best to ensure just that.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by Gozer

I find it comical that the Teamsters support an open-border candidate.

To me, it should be the most (only) relevant issue to a them.

All I hear from our Teamster propagandists is the "Keep jobs in America/no more outsourcing" speech. Nary a word about the open border policy.

[Nehkara]

This is it folks, the final contests in the long and hotly contested Democratic Presidential Primaries. Montana and South Dakota finish it off.

Delegates as of this morning:

Total Delegates:

Clinton 1917
Obama 2076 (159 ahead)


Pledged Delegates:

Clinton 1624
Obama 1741 (117 ahead)


Superdelegates:

Clinton 293
Obama 335 (42 ahead)


Obama needs 42 delegates to claim the nomination. Ideally he will get ~15-20 from the primaries this evening but that leaves him needing ~25 super delegate endorsements.

Should be interesting.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

Obama needs 42 delegates to claim the nomination. Ideally he will get ~15-20 from the primaries this evening but that leaves him needing ~25 super delegate endorsements.

Should be interesting.

That is assuming that no Obama delegates switch sides.
I don't put that past Hillary.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

Obama needs 42 delegates to claim the nomination. Ideally he will get ~15-20 from the primaries this evening but that leaves him needing ~25 super delegate endorsements.

Should be interesting.

And if he doesn't get those superdelegate endorsements? What happens then?

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

And if he doesn't get those superdelegate endorsements? What happens then?

Goes to the convention in Denver.

[Azure]

Apparently she's conceding tonight.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/clinton;_...S_Hb4aCkVh24cA

[atb]

Politico is suggesting Obama will wrap up the nomination tonight with a bunch of superdelegates giving him their endorsement.

[Azure]

And according to CNN.....Hillary's campaign staffers are denying that she quits tonight.

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Azure

And according to CNN.....Hillary's campaign staffers are denying that she quits tonight.

Even if Obama only comes close to the required number of superdelegates today, it'll be tough for Hillary to justify that decision. It's time to let Obama focus on McCain.

[Freeway]

The Associated Press is reporting that Obama has "effectively clinched the nomination."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Azure

Apparently she's conceding tonight.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/clinton;_...S_Hb4aCkVh24cA

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said, effectively ending her bid to be the nation's first female president.

Says she will admit he has enough delegates to probably lock this thing up. Doesn't say she'll stop trying to convince delegates to switch sides. I'll believe that when I see it.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Says she will admit he has enough delegates to probably lock this thing up. Doesn't say she'll stop trying to convince delegates to switch sides. I'll believe that when I see it.

A nomination won strictly through "politiciking" at the Democratic Party convention would absolutely destroy Clinton's rep and set her up as a big fat target for the Republicans.

I can't stand how any political manager or advisor on her team with any sense isn't pulling their hair telling her to step away and MAYBE save herself a VP nomination. Maybe they are...

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by peter12

I can't stand how any political manager or advisor on her team with any sense isn't pulling their hair telling her to step away and MAYBE save herself a VP nomination. Maybe they are...

Jeez I hope she doesn't get the VP nomination. It makes the possible assassination scenario she kept bringing up that much more chilling.