First Ever MMA mainstream TV ratings score higher than NHL Finals?

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by J pold

But I know I’m in the minority here that’s fine, if people want too watch former security guards sponsored by porno production companies punch peoples ears off so be it

ROFLMAO. Kimbo is a joke and EliteXC was ######ed for putting all their eggs in his basket. Using him as an example of what MMA really is would be like using Butterbean to showcase boxing...

[Bobblehead]

The thread title is a little misleading.

In reality, KCBS's MMA coverage defeated KNBC's NHL coverage.

Even then, The MMA was shown in primetime (9pm - 11pm, but ran late) while the SCF was from 5:19pm - 7:46 PDT, so even there they were in different timeslots. I would think an event which intrudes upon the supper hour wouldn't have a chance at as large of an audience. I'm not saying if the situation was reversed the SCF would have won, only that you aren't exactly comparing the same things.

[Boblobla]

As far as the OP goes the numbers are really misleading. I found this article that has the NHL edging the EliteXC event.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/06/01...h-for-cbs/3993

[Azure]

Originally Posted by J pold

Yeah I know I should go learn about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or Kung Fu or Praying mantis than I will appreciate the sport right? Wrong

I have watched UFC or MMA matches before and to me there is nothing atheistically pleasing watching two guys roll around in submission

But I know I’m in the minority here that’s fine, if people want too watch former security guards sponsored by porno production companies punch peoples ears off so be it

Maybe, just maybe you could quit whining about it, eh?

If you don't like it....so be it. People like different things. Nobody is forcing you to watch MMA.

And no boxing and MMA or not the same, even the best fighters on both sides admit that they couldn’t beat the other at their craft

You don't say.

They're radically different from one another, yet very similar in their purpose.

[Hemmer]

How do i fix the title?

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Hemmer

How do i fix the title?

Edit your original post, and while in the edit window click advanced, then you should be able to edit the title.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hemmer

They should put Kimbo Slice up against someone like Frank Mir.. and have Mir crush his MMA dreams like he did to Brock Lesnar

I was amazed that Lesner was fed to Mir like that, they had an opportunity to promote Lesner as the next big thing and they made him look foolish (not the first time with Lesner, he should have stuck with Pro Wrestling). The Slice matchup to me was more along the line of a tomato can fight in that they put Slice in the ring with a guy that has problems with Punchers and had a fairly weak ground game.

Slice really didn't impress me though, and it was too soon to main event the guy on a national tv slot.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Slice really didn't impress me though, and it was too soon to main event the guy on a national tv slot.

Agreed, the two previous fights though were fantastic. I think it was great for female MMA that they had such an entertaining fight. Shame about the finger in the eye stoppage though, that sucks. Then suffering through the Kimbo fight left a bad taste in many peoples mouthes.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Agreed, the two previous fights though were fantastic. I think it was great for female MMA that they had such an entertaining fight. Shame about the finger in the eye stoppage though, that sucks. Then suffering through the Kimbo fight left a bad taste in many peoples mouthes.

Missed the girls fight, but honestly, there's something about watching two girls kicking the crap out of each other that disturbs me>

the fight between the two middle weights was fanatastic too bad about the eye gouge

[Hemmer]

Being an MMA fan, one of the complaints I have is that there seems to be so many damn leagues. Theres UFC at the top, then many other leagues under it.

One would think also that the very best fighters are in the UFC.. but theres guys like Fedor who are not in the UFC. On TSN last night, I saw Jens Pulver (a UFC vet) lose rather decisively to Urijah Faber from WEC. Does kinda make you wonder if UFC is truly elite. Its just kinda hard to follow so many leagues.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Hemmer

Being an MMA fan, one of the complaints I have is that there seems to be so many damn leagues. Theres UFC at the top, then many other leagues under it.

One would think also that the very best fighters are in the UFC.. but theres guys like Fedor who are not in the UFC. On TSN last night, I saw Jens Pulver (a UFC vet) lose rather decisively to Urijah Faber from WEC. Does kinda make you wonder if UFC is truly elite. Its just kinda hard to follow so many leagues.

The UFC got ALOT better with the addition of Pride. If you think that it is only recently that Hendo, Rampage, Cro Cop (although he sucked it up hard), Wanderli, Heath Herring, Big Nog got added to the UFC roster.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by J pold

if people want too watch former security guards sponsored by porno production companies punch peoples ears off so be it

I think it's kind of odd that you are defending boxing and at the same time suggesting that MMA is a sport in which shady characters participate and it is sponsored by disreputable people.

Boxing is notoriously controlled by criminals (Don King, the mafia). The most famous and (arguably) successful boxer of the last 30 years went to prison for rape in the middle of his career, never mind all the other stuff he did. The whole goddamn sport is fixed and everyone knows it.

This Kimbo Slice character doesn't represent MMA at all, so your point is moot anyway.

EDIT: And hell, I'm not even a fan. I'll watch it if it's free though and I did look up the YouTube video of the fight in question.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Hemmer

When people who don't know much about MMA see two fighters on the ground fighting.. they think its 'dryhumping the ground'. Whereas, true fans know that theres just as much action going on on the mat as a boxing match. Theres many submissions and positional battles going on on the floor.. its almost sometimes like a chess match. As much as I like to see a knock out.. good ground battles are awesome to watch too.

And I'm sure you're going to be glued to the TV this summer when Olympic wrestling is on too. The technical aspects of MMA are the typical argument to hide the fact that most people watch it to see some bare-knuckle beat downs.

The fact that there's MMAers out there that were simply tough guys off the street and they learned a couple counters puts it at a level infinitely below boxing, IMO.

It's funny - half the people in this thread ripping on J Pold for underestimating the strategy of MMA just did the same thing with boxing. And I'm sure if you asked someone well versed in both they'd easily tell you that boxing is by far the more technically difficult sport. It's called the sweet science for a reason.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Boxing is notoriously controlled by criminals (Don King, the mafia). The most famous and (arguably) successful boxer of the last 30 years went to prison for rape in the middle of his career, never mind all the other stuff he did. The whole goddamn sport is fixed and everyone knows it.

The difference is that in boxing it's that the fighters have been trained since they were 7 to box. In MMA, as long as you're in your 20's and you're tough you can be taught a few ground moves and be a half-decent fighter.

In boxing, it's a boxer who commits crimes. In MMA, it could easily be some criminal who just happens to hold his own outside of the bar.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by JayP

And I'm sure you're going to be glued to the TV this summer when Olympic wrestling is on too. The technical aspects of MMA are the typical argument to hide the fact that most people watch it to see some bare-knuckle beat downs.

The fact that there's MMAers out there that were simply tough guys off the street and they learned a couple counters puts it at a level infinitely below boxing, IMO.

It's funny - half the people in this thread ripping on J Pold for underestimating the strategy of MMA just did the same thing with boxing. And I'm sure if you asked someone well versed in both they'd easily tell you that boxing is by far the more technically difficult sport. It's called the sweet science for a reason.

I find wrestling a little boring tbqh but I will probably watch some of it. I don't know what backyard brawl you are watching but MMA is not a bareknuckle sport. If you don't understand BJJ or Muay Thai or Judo or Wrestling that is fine but that doesn't give you the right to say there is no skill involved.

I really don't understand your second paragraph. Are you saying that there is no tough guys off the street who got into boxing? Did you watch 'The Contender'? There are people in the NHL who went undrafted, does that mean they shouldn't be there? There are different skill sets within an organization, just because everyone doesn't have BJJ black belt or is a golden gloves boxer doesn't make them less of a competitor.

As far as technically more difficult, how can you say that someone who has been training BJJ for 15 years isn't as technically sound as someone who has been training boxing for 15 years?

Kimbo Slice is a joke. I am not sitting here defending him. I am defending a sport that I have grown to love over the last 4 or 5 years. That fight was garbage and he should have lost in the second round. He is not fit to headline an event, any event. Gary Shaw (who incidently has a boxing promotion background) took a bodyguard who is struggling to get money to raise his family and lined his pockets. It is BS. Maybe in 2 or 3 years after a lot of cardio and some more time with Randy Couture and Bas Ruuten he might be a legit heavyweight.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by fotze

That's because it hasn't been around long enough to have history like that. I bet in twenty years there will be kids trained since age seven (very messed up kids with cruel parents) competing in the sport.

Indeed.

There are martial arts academies here that advertise Brazilian Ju Jitsu starting as early as 12 I believe. Teenagers go from park to park here in the city staging impromptu MMA matches. Not out of malice like the afterschool fights, but as their idea of a good time. (Not that I endorse any of this, just pointing out the growth of the sport among the younger ones.)

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by JayP

The difference is that in boxing it's that the fighters have been trained since they were 7 to box. In MMA, as long as you're in your 20's and you're tough you can be taught a few ground moves and be a half-decent fighter.

In boxing, it's a boxer who commits crimes. In MMA, it could easily be some criminal who just happens to hold his own outside of the bar.

There are tons of BJJ and Muay Thai fighters that have been training since they were that young. As well as wrestlers. Just because your MMA knowledge is gleaned from CNN and that spectacle on the weekend doesn't mean you are expert.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by JayP

The difference is that in boxing it's that the fighters have been trained since they were 7 to box.

I don't think many of them actually started boxing when they were 7. Most decent MMA guys probably started wrestling when they were 12.

Originally Posted by JayP

In MMA, as long as you're in your 20's and you're tough you can be taught a few ground moves and be a half-decent fighter.

You can say the same thing about boxing. There are million tomato cans out there. Any MMA guy who is tough and knows a couple ground moves isn't going to be anywhere near the MMA we see on TV. Just like the Palooka who thinks he can box because he beat some guys up in a parking lot will never actually get anywhere.

Anyone can put on a set of gloves and call himself a boxer, just like anyone can put on a different set of gloves and call himself an MMA fighter. It doesn't mean they are.

Originally Posted by JayP

In boxing, it's a boxer who commits crimes. In MMA, it could easily be some criminal who just happens to hold his own outside of the bar.

No it couldn't. Where do you get this impression? From Kimbo Slice? He doesn't represent anything. He's a sideshow. If you look at him and think "that's an MMA fighter", then I can look at Butterbean and say "that's a world class boxer".

And the other suggestion that MMA fans are just in it for the scrapping -- of course. But you aren't going to convince me that 95% of boxing fans aren't hoping for a knockout in every fight they watch.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

And the other suggestion that MMA fans are just in it for the scrapping -- of course. But you aren't going to convince me that 95% of boxing fans aren't hoping for a knockout in every fight they watch.

Pfft. There is nothing I like more than a 12 round Heavyweight boxing match

[Montana Moe]

Kimbo= Stortini?

Fans of his think he's a contender, but skilled peers know the truth.