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droopydrew19 · 05-29-2008, 12:44 PM

The day started off well as the Bolts landed one of the top leaders in hockey. Shane Doan will likely captain the team next season as he was claimed with the first pick in the dispersal draft.

That news was tempered with the news that the Lightning have lost a top prospect. Luc Bourdon has passed away suddenly as a result of a motorcycle accident.

Luc would have likely made the jump to the big club this season and was at or near the top of the our prospect projections. He will be missed.
Our condolences to his family and friends.

Goffie · 05-29-2008, 12:46 PM

Horrible tragedy! Bourdon was just on the verge of starting his career. RIP

simmer2 · 05-29-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by droopydrew19

The day started off well as the Bolts landed one of the top leaders in hockey. Shane Doan will likely captain the team next season as he was claimed with the first pick in the dispersal draft.

That news was tempered with the news that the Lightning have lost a top prospect. Luc Bourdon has passed away suddenly as a result of a motorcycle accident.

Luc would have likely made the jump to the big club this season and was at or near the top of the our prospect projections. He will be missed.
Our condolences to his family and friends.

Stuff like that is awful to hear, that's really sad.

Sylvanfan · 05-29-2008, 12:46 PM

Yeah, thats the type of thing that's just plain old bad luck. Absolutely no way to anticipate that sort of thing. Pretty sad turn of events to be sure.

OILFAN #81 · 05-29-2008, 01:07 PM

RIP Luc Bourdon. That's just tragic news. I watched him in junior as well as the 2006 WJHC in which he was a huge part of. A great prospect for the Canucks. Tragic and sad story. RIP.

Prototype · 05-29-2008, 02:20 PM

I hate to sound like I'm not compasionate to the situation, but this is why people in positions of making millions of dollars should take every percaution avaialble to live. I'm not saying that he should have lived like a boy in a bubble, but I know that most professional sports have clauses that prevent people from taking part in better than average dangerous activities.

It's sad that someone that young died, and I'm not against motorcycles at all.

I just thing that if I were in his position, I'd rather drive a Hummer than a motorcycle so I could collect my next paycheque.

Tragic loss, none the less.

Slava · 05-29-2008, 02:42 PM

Tragic loss of a highly skilled young man with a bright future ahead. RIP.

JiriHrdina · 05-29-2008, 02:48 PM

Always a very strange thing when guys die for real and we have to "retire them" in our fantasy league...like somehow our silly game matters at all..but you still have to do it.

I dunno. Very sad. I heard this on 660 this afternoon but only caught the tail end of it and missed who the player was.

RT14 · 05-29-2008, 11:51 PM

Tragic indeed. RIP Luc Bourdon.

Sylvanfan · 05-30-2008, 01:17 PM

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I just thing that if I were in his position, I'd rather drive a Hummer than a motorcycle so I could collect my next paycheque.

I really, really don't like that logic. Shouldn't we all be driving around in a 5 star rated crash vehicle than so we can all collect our next pay cheques? Why should any of us value our life less than an NHL player, or anyone else wealthier than us sort of thing. We're all different, we all have our hobbies we enjoy, and we all have our own unique tolerance for risk. Unfortunately bad timing can happen to any of us no matter how our personality combinations turn up.

Prototype · 05-30-2008, 01:54 PM

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I really, really don't like that logic. Shouldn't we all be driving around in a 5 star rated crash vehicle than so we can all collect our next pay cheques? Why should any of us value our life less than an NHL player, or anyone else wealthier than us sort of thing. We're all different, we all have our hobbies we enjoy, and we all have our own unique tolerance for risk. Unfortunately bad timing can happen to any of us no matter how our personality combinations turn up.

I don't disagree... Over the last few days I've had a hard time trying to justify my stance. The thing is, with motorcycles, there's nothing between you and another vehicle, and very little between you and the ground.

Playing in the NHL was always a dream of mine, so to see someone who had a shot, and was living a lot of people's dream, get put in this situation. I don't get angry at people for chosing a motorcycle over a SUV or car. But I can't feel sorry for someone who knew the hightened risks, especially in his situation.

If Dion or Kipper came out in the paper and said they have lung cancer due to their smoking, yeah... it'd be tragic, but it's their choice to smoke, just like it's mine not to. I see the same with bikes, as there is a hightened risk, regardless if you follow the rules of the road or not.

It is a sad story, and I feel for the family and friends. Maybe I over analized the situation saying that all pro athletes shouldn't be on bikes... to each their own. But I can't say I feel sorry for the guy right now. I wouldn't be on one of those things if I had all the opertunities he had available.

Sylvanfan · 05-30-2008, 02:03 PM

But would you be on a motorcycle today with the oppurtunities available to you now? I'm not making the descision to ride a motorcycle or not based on my future ability to make lots of money, or live the life I want. It comes down to nothing more than personal preference.

HelloHockeyFans · 05-30-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Prottotype

I hate to sound like I'm not compasionate to the situation, but this is why people in positions of making millions of dollars should take every percaution avaialble to live. I'm not saying that he should have lived like a boy in a bubble, but I know that most professional sports have clauses that prevent people from taking part in better than average dangerous activities.

It's sad that someone that young died, and I'm not against motorcycles at all.

I just thing that if I were in his position, I'd rather drive a Hummer than a motorcycle so I could collect my next paycheque.

Tragic loss, none the less.

I think the bolded part above is where your argument falls apart - or rather, I disagree with.

The value of one's life never, ever revolves around how much money one makes.

A fellow with limited education, working a part-time job at Blockbusters and another at a call centre adopts the same risks from riding a motorcycle as a multi-million dollar up-and-coming hockey player.

When you make the statement that the hockey player should safeguard his life more than the average person, you're really saying his life is more valuable than Joe Schmo... which is not the case... in my opinion at least.

Prototype · 05-30-2008, 02:24 PM

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But would you be on a motorcycle today with the oppurtunities available to you now? I'm not making the descision to ride a motorcycle or not based on my future ability to make lots of money, or live the life I want. It comes down to nothing more than personal preference.

Understandable...

I would not in the situation I am in. I want to put myself in the best situation to have another child, see my son graduate and get married... I know things happen that are beyond our control, and I can understand the rush one gets from riding a motorcycle, but if you're asking me, in the situation I'm in right now, if I would... no, I would not.

And I get the point that it's not a matter of money. But if I were in his situation, I wouldn't either. If I had no children, not married, I would consider a bike more, if I didn't have an NHL contract to fall back on.

Prototype · 05-30-2008, 02:27 PM

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When you make the statement that the hockey player should safeguard his life more than the average person, you're really saying his life is more valuable than Joe Schmo... which is not the case... in my opinion at least.

Again, totally understandable, and probably my mistake in all this. But, I would give anything and everything to be in the position he was a week ago. And it would have been my decision not to put myself anywhere close to this kind of situation, at almost all costs.

As I stated before, I maybe over analized, and over wrote on the situation, but he made the choice to live closer on the edge than I would have in his situation, or even my situation right now, hense my thoughts.

I hope I'm articulating them correctly, and I know I'm in the minority...

Sylvanfan · 05-30-2008, 02:36 PM

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And I get the point that it's not a matter of money. But if I were in his situation, I wouldn't either. If I had no children, not married, I would consider a bike more, if I didn't have an NHL contract to fall back on.

This is the part I don't get. If you were younger and had no children you'd consider a bike more. Bourdon was younger than you and had no children. So at that point why are you any different than Luc Bourdon was. If you were more famous or wealthier you'd value your life more at that point in time. Because thats what it sounds like you're saying.

When I was younger I considered having a bike but not badly enough to try and make it happen. Nowadays I still get the urge occasionally but still can't be bothered to make it happen. If anything...I'd probably get one if I was wealthier and had a bit more flexibility on what I can spend money on. Being an old fart with some responsibility....may impact how I operate it though. But I attribute that to life experience having seen a few more things at the age of 32 than when I was 22. In reality...when I was 22 I had just as much or more to live for than I do today...I just value it more today than I did than.

Prototype · 05-30-2008, 02:50 PM

Me at 21, I was working at Blockbuster... not quite my dream. What I'm saying by saying that if I were me at a younger stage in my life, I would consider it.

The difference being that I did not make it to the NHL, which would have been a dream come true. So if I were in his situation, I'd want to keep living the dream.

I guess I would value my life more if I had spent the last 15 years of my life trying to attain a goal, and finanlly putting myself in a position to do so. I'm not suicidal by any means, and I do value my life. I did consider buying a bike on a consistant basis in my teens and my early 20s, but I still valued my life, and therefore didn't.

I never wrote that I would go back and buy a bike, I would consider it more. Buying a bike isn't signing a death warrent either, but it's my choice to get on to a bike just like it's someone's choice to smoke. You know the risks, and if you're cool with that, and cool with the fact that you could be doing more damage to those around you as well, I doubt I could change your mind. We only live once.

And as I said, I understand the need to live on the edge, or make decisions regardless if I would make the same decisions. We are all individuals, including when it comes to our thought process.

The comment about money was out of place, and looking back it was wrong, but I still see him as in a position that I would do almost anything for, and I would take more safe guards, much like I've decided to as a husband and a father, than he did.