Alright, this is a little too much from me... (Smoking ban with kids in car) - Page 7 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

jayswin · 05-21-2008, 03:37 PM

Just in case it gets losty on the other page..

Does anyone else think we will look back on this in 20 years and laugh the way we do now about other "rights" smokers had?

Remember when there was Doctors who smoked in their office, and certain brands of cig's were endorsed by Doctors'? Now we laugh and say "God, I can't believe people thought that was normal, acceptable behavior back then"

..or when smoking ni Airplanes was normal practice?...and now we say "what, I couldn't imagine being stuck in a plane for 5 hours with smoke all around me, they catually allowe that back then?"

I truley believe in twenty years, we will look back and say "oh my god, people were legally allowed to smoke in their cars with their children present?, and there were parents stupid enough to do this? Were they trying to ensure their kid would grow up and get cancer?"

or "Wow, they had bars that were full of people smoking back then? That's insane, could you imagine the health risks associated with that, and man people must have smelled like ass when they left those bars, lol. Man people sure were stupider back then"

I guess I just don't understand smokers. I realize it's an addiction, but can't they just admit how brutal it is and move on. It feels like everytime I have an argument with a smoker, they have some stupid justification for everything, and if you get them backed into a corner, they just hit you with "yeah, well, it's my right, no one can tell me how to live"

I personally dream of a world were smokers have no rights (in terms of smoking), where they can't smoke in their car with kids persent (because that's stupid), where they can't smoke in their own house with kids present (because that's stupid), where they can't smoke anywhere near people who don't smoke in public, where they just have smokers cages (like the one at the airport) where all the smokers are hearded in, and can inhale their smoke together.

Smokers will say this is the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard, but I truley believe we won't be far off from this in 30 to 40 years, and smokers will still be complaining about every little thing that's taken away from them along the way, until one day, when everyone will look back at this century and say "wow, they had sticks full of crap that you inhaled into your body, by lighting it on fire, and leting smoke go down your lungs?.... and a larghe percentage of the population actually did this?...and you could buy them at conveniance stores? what the hell was wrong with the world back then.?

Sorry for the offending rant, but when you see people die at an early age, due to smoking, it just hits too close to home.

Thor · 05-21-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I agree in a sense, but not really. Lets consider that smokers as opposed to overweight people:

- Can still work physically intensive jobs, such as construction or oil for the vast majority of thier working career. I would argue the smoker who is not overweight is a more productive member of our society as measured purley on their contribution to the gross-domestic product.

- Can manage to work through their problem of withdrawl (if only temporarily as circumstances demand, such as air travel). There is no ignoring being fat.

- Do not require special seating or take up excessive bus/ctrain room.

- Smell better. I'll take ass smoke smell over sweatty fatty ass smell ANY day.

- Don't generally complain about being smokers. I've heard many more complainers about being fat and how the world hates them.

- Do not attribute any related health problems from smoking to something else. Fat people seem to come up with every excuse they can for their health problems that are in-fact directly a cause of being fat. Stress is the most common "excuse"...

Lastly, people have been smoking things since the dawn of man. Being fat to the point that people are in 2008 is a phenomenon less than 50 years old.

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Wow

Traditional_Ale · 05-21-2008, 03:42 PM

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Wow

Hey man, if you want to disagree thats totally cool! CP is all about great debate, so...how about composing a real reply?

jayswin · 05-21-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I agree in a sense, but not really. Lets consider that smokers as opposed to overweight people:

- Can still work physically intensive jobs, such as construction or oil for the vast majority of thier working career. I would argue the smoker who is not overweight is a more productive member of our society as measured purley on their contribution to the gross-domestic product.

- Can manage to work through their problem of withdrawl (if only temporarily as circumstances demand, such as air travel). There is no ignoring being fat.

- Do not require special seating or take up excessive bus/ctrain room.

- Smell better. I'll take ass smoke smell over sweatty fatty ass smell ANY day.

- Don't generally complain about being smokers. I've heard many more complainers about being fat and how the world hates them.

- Do not attribute any related health problems from smoking to something else. Fat people seem to come up with every excuse they can for their health problems that are in-fact directly a cause of being fat. Stress is the most common "excuse"...

Lastly, people have been smoking things since the dawn of man. Being fat to the point that people are in 2008 is a phenomenon less than 50 years old.

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are you absoulety joking???? Smokers not complining that the world hates them?

Traditional_Ale · 05-21-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

are you absoulety joking???? Smokers not complining that the world hates them?

Well, maybe in the last few years with all the laws and such.

For the record, its been almost 2-years since I bought a pack of cigs.

The Ditch · 05-21-2008, 03:51 PM

I just find smoking odd. It is one of the only legal products where if you use it as directed it only has negative effects.

Boblobla · 05-21-2008, 03:52 PM

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I just find smoking odd. It is one of the only legal products where if you use it as directed it only has negative effects.

Booze springs to mind...

Traditional_Ale · 05-21-2008, 03:53 PM

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Booze springs to mind...

Is that because of the liver damage, weight gain, public stupidity, or unwanted pregnancies?

Come to think of it, maybe booze makes the world go?

CMPunk · 05-21-2008, 03:55 PM

Meh I'll believe it when this stuff is actually enforced. What are the cops gonna do, sit by the side of the road and wait for people to fly by taking a puff?

Next thing you know they'll be kicking in the doors of people who smoke and haul them out into the streets and throw them into jail.

The real villains in all of this are the governments that continue to allow cigarette's to be legal at all. We know what kind of harm they can do, so why not just yank them off the shelf. Oh ya...it's all the tax we collect on them...thats why they're legal...

The Ditch · 05-21-2008, 03:55 PM

Well I have seen booze directed as "responsible use", one glass of wine a day is actually beneficial for you. Though it is easily abused, at least it can have some good properties.

rubecube · 05-21-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CMPunk

Meh I'll believe it when this stuff is actually enforced. What are the cops gonna do, sit by the side of the road and wait for people to fly by taking a puff?

Next thing you know they'll be kicking in the doors of people who smoke and haul them out into the streets and throw them into jail.

The real villains in all of this are the governments that continue to allow cigarette's to be legal at all. We know what kind of harm they can do, so why not just yank them off the shelf. Oh ya...it's all the tax we collect on them...thats why they're legal...

Wrong. They're illegal because prohibition does not work as a deterrent and it would just create a black market that would allow gangs and their associated violence to flourish like they already do with illegal drugs. That and it would cost way too much to enforce.

CMPunk · 05-21-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

Wrong. They're illegal because prohibition does not work as a deterrent and it would just create a black market that would allow gangs and their associated violence to flourish like they already do with illegal drugs. That and it would cost way too much to enforce.

Then why are any drugs illegal?

Boblobla · 05-21-2008, 04:12 PM

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Then why are any drugs illegal?

Because they are addictive...

Oh, wait.

rubecube · 05-21-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CMPunk

Then why are any drugs illegal?

Because it's what the majority has mandated. There's a reason prohibition was lifted off of liquor. People don't seem to realize that a lot of the problems associated with narcotics could be alleviated by legalization, but that's a whole different debate and I don't want to derail the thread.

Boblobla · 05-21-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

Because it's what the majority has mandated. There's a reason prohibition was lifted off of liquor. People don't seem to realize that a lot of the problems associated with narcotics could be alleviated by legalization, but that's a whole different debate and I don't want to derail the thread.

The government could make sooooooo much money of weed it is unreal.

I mean, they already make it for the medicinal use people.

Gozer · 05-21-2008, 04:20 PM

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The government could make sooooooo much money of weed it is unreal.

I mean, they already make it for the medicinal use people.

It is my belief that the USA would close the border if we legalized it.

J pold · 05-21-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Boblobla

The government could make sooooooo much money of weed it is unreal.

I mean, they already make it for the medicinal use people.

It’s stoner basing time!

Dion · 05-21-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CMPunk

Meh I'll believe it when this stuff is actually enforced. What are the cops gonna do, sit by the side of the road and wait for people to fly by taking a puff?

I can envision the same thing.

Driver with kids in car sees cop and tosses ciggy butt out the window. Without evidence the cop can't really lay any charges. Then again the cops could get the persons butt of the street and do a DNA analysis to see if it belongs to the driver

The Yen Man · 05-21-2008, 04:25 PM

Instead of making it illegal, governments should just make cigarettes $100 a pack. I don't know how many average smokers are willing to shell out $100 for a pack of cigarettes. But then again, I don't smoke, so I have no idea how bad the addiction is. I would imagine if I had to pay that much for smokes, I'd try my hardest to quit.

Traditional_Ale · 05-21-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

I can envision the same thing.

Driver with kids in car sees cop and tosses ciggy butt out the window. Without evidence the cop can't really lay any charges. Then again the cops could get the persons butt of the street and do a DNA analysis to see if it belongs to the driver

Yeah, lets do a 900 dollar test for a 120 dollar ticket?