05-12-2008, 11:22 PM
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#261
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Considering that Mormons call themselves Christians, no. For the most part all Christian denominations believe in the Trinity.
Yes, different denominations do believe different things. Many of them are differences in how they interpret certain parts of scripture, how they follow their doctrines and how they worship, but the belief is essentially the same. Not as fundamentally different as the Mormon's belief.
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05-13-2008, 12:15 AM
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#262
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Creston
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I think as a general rule acceptance of the Nicene creed is the litmus test for the Christian faith. The Nicene creed does recognize the Trinity doctrine. Baptists are non creedal but, basically believe the doctrines identified within the Nicene creed.
Mormons have their own creed which doesn't recognize the Trinity. Historically they didn't call themselves Christians because they seen Christians to have a polluted faith;one which was corrupted over time. It has only been in the last twenty years that Mormons have taken up the title "Christian".
Having said that I'm not offended if they do.
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05-13-2008, 06:15 AM
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#263
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Supporting Urban Sprawl
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Originally Posted by eddly
This is what I was told growing up as well, but it isn't quite true. Some of the prophets and apostles were married to women who already had living husbands. This issue led to Parley P. Pratt's death as the husband of one of Pratt's new wives was not that pleased that he had taken his wife. Info like this can be easily found on wiki and other reputable sites.
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I recall hearing about this and other incidents where husbands (both abusive and not) had abandoned their wives when they found out they had converted to the LDS Church. I am not aware if they managed to get legal divorces at the time or if they even had them available to them or not at the time. So your claim that multiple men were legally married to the same woman may in fact be correct. However I do consider the situation involved and personally do not condemn them for their actions.
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05-13-2008, 06:18 AM
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#264
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Supporting Urban Sprawl
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgaryborn
I think as a general rule acceptance of the Nicene creed is the litmus test for the Christian faith. The Nicene creed does recognize the Trinity doctrine. Baptists are non creedal but, basically believe the doctrines identified within the Nicene creed.
Mormons have their own creed which doesn't recognize the Trinity. Historically they didn't call themselves Christians because they seen Christians to have a polluted faith;one which was corrupted over time. It has only been in the last twenty years that Mormons have taken up the title "Christian".
Having said that I'm not offended if they do.
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Mormons believe in the Father, and in the Son and in the Holy Ghost as separate and distinct personages. While this does not strictly adhere to the Nicene creed, I do not think by any stretch it disqualifies them from the title Christian, since they are still followers of Christ. However, if you feel it does then that is fine with me.
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05-13-2008, 06:19 AM
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#265
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CP's Fraser Crane
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Krack Korn
Door to door axe salesman...now THAT would be a challenging job.
"There's someone at the door holding an axe, should I let him in?"
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But he's got bud light.
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05-13-2008, 07:52 AM
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#266
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Retired
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eddly
In the Book of Mormon, there is a book called Jacob that briefly mentions it, albeit not supporting it.
It was later in the Doctrine and Covenants that the issue of polygamy was addressed further. I won't comment on it much further as I couldn't give an objective point of view regarding it. I don't support it at all.
Also in regards to calling Mormonism a cult, well I can't really disagree. Look up the definition for it. Basically a cult refers to a devout group of people following a charismatic leader. That could refer to anything from a group following Jesus Christ to a group following Jim Jones.
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You forgot to mention that the main founder (Smith) and his 2nd (Young) were also polygamists. A little bit of the follow the leader mentality going on - That, probably more than anything scripture based.
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05-13-2008, 08:14 AM
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#267
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Referee
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor
Reminds me of the time a poor greenpeace guy showed up at my family's door, a house full of Icelanders. hahahaha kid didn't know what hit him.
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I can just picture it.
Greenpeace guy: Yes, Hello. Are you interested in saving the whales?
Icelander: SAVING the whales?
Greenpeace guy: Yeah, they're endangered, you know.
Icelander: It's too late. We already ate them.
Greenpeace guy: ....
Icelander: We'll get more in next month. If you want, we can save some of the next batch for you.
Greenpeace guy: .... splutter ...
Icelander 2 (inside): Hey who's at the door?
Icelander: Some guy from "Green Pieces." He wants us to save him some whale next time!
Icelander 2: Well, we better order extra. That last batch was extra tasty!
Icelander: (to Greenpeace guy) Is Minke okay? It tastes kinda like beef.
(Greenpeace guy bursts into tears for the fate of mankind)
In all seriousness, my wife was pretty horrified when I admitted that I've eaten whale... and liked it.
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05-13-2008, 08:37 AM
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#268
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Referee
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Over the hill
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I'm hesitant to enter into this debate, which I take to be about how you treat people who come to your door, and not about Mormon doctrine per se. But I think it's worth saying one thing:
I suspect that many of the people who claim they have/will do all kinds of rude and cruel things to Mormons at the door are engaging in a little bravado, emboldened perhaps by anonymity, the internet, etc. In my experience most people (especially Canadians) are polite in most situations. I've often thought about being rude to telemarketers, door-to-door missionaries and so forth. I've even fantasized about great "zingers" that I could throw at them to really hammer home the point that they're annoying me.
But in reality? I've never done any of that. I always just listen politely, say I'm not interested, and close the door. Most of the time I even wish them luck, and once in a while express sympathy for how hard their job is. The truth is, I don't have the inner meanness that it would take to actually attack another person verbally, even a stranger. I suspect that's true for a lot of people.
But what people actually mean when they say "I'd do this and that to a Mormon if they were at MY door" is this. It really is annoying. Even for 15 seconds. We wish they wouldn't do it.
I don't think that's a crime.
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05-13-2008, 09:00 AM
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#269
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Section 222
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My family is mormon. They are former leftbridgians/Salt Lake City style mormons and heavy, heavy into church but my dad was sort of the black sheep of the family. Anyway, we are now on some kind of mormon call list and get visited all the time and harassed to no end. We moved to Somerset last year, since then we have had about 9 visits from the Mormons and about 4 copies of their stupid book dropped off in our mail box. I'm usually nice and polite to them but my significant other is Greek Orthodox and she has absolutely no patience for them. The final time they came over she was in the loft and I answered the door. Conversation went like this...
Brother Dave: "Hello, how are you today?"
Me: "Fine, thanks."
Voice from the loft: "Beat it you deadbeats!!"
Brother Dave: "Is this a bad time?"
Me: "Sort of, I'm just moving some boxes around in the basement."
Voice from the loft: "It's always a bad time."
Brother Dave: "Could we offer to help you?"
Me: "No really, I'm fine thanks."
Brother Dave: "Could we ask what faith you practice."
Voice from the loft: "The right one!"
Me: "Our children have been baptised Greek Orthodox."
Brother Dave: "Is there another time we could stop by."
Voice from the loft: "No!"
Me: "I don't really think that's a good idea, thanks, bye."
Normally she's not that rude, but they honestly came every week for the first month we moved in. How many times can they believe no means yes?
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05-13-2008, 09:11 AM
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#270
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
You forgot to mention that the main founder (Smith) and his 2nd (Young) were also polygamists. A little bit of the follow the leader mentality going on - That, probably more than anything scripture based.
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I just figured that was common knowledge.
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05-13-2008, 09:38 AM
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#271
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Franchise Player
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I was born and raised as a Mormon so I know the ins and outs of the community
When my parents got divorced I stopped attending and haven’t look back since, it was mostly because of the treatment my mother received from her friends/family for divorcing my dad
Her whole side of the family are still very devote Mormons so it’s a little awkward for me but we still get along
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05-13-2008, 10:55 AM
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#272
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rathji
Just out of curiosity, what would constitute shouting Mormon stuff? Was it something like any of these:
"Hey Bill, get your rear end out here and do your home teaching this month"
"Sally, have you made that doily for the centerpiece for the Fireside yet?"
"How is your food storage doing Frank?"
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I think it was, "Repent and be married, all ye children!!!!!!!!"
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05-13-2008, 02:17 PM
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#273
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Lethbridge
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This may offend some people, but mormons are the biggest hypocrites on the planet, what a joke. Just look at the whole Coca Cola/Pepsi thing........ But how to repel them? I find a BB gun works just fine.
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05-13-2008, 02:22 PM
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#274
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck
This may offend some people, but mormons are the biggest hypocrites on the planet, what a joke. Just look at the whole Coca Cola/Pepsi thing........ But how to repel them? I find a BB gun works just fine.
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Care to elaborate?
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05-13-2008, 02:24 PM
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#275
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Section 222
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Quote:
Originally Posted by J pold
Care to elaborate?
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Yeah, no doubt. Because I can agree to parts of that statement unless you're talking about rigging a taste test or something.
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05-13-2008, 02:32 PM
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#276
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck
This may offend some people, but mormons are the biggest hypocrites on the planet, what a joke. Just look at the whole Coca Cola/Pepsi thing........ But how to repel them? I find a BB gun works just fine.
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You live in Lethbridge and you actually believe this Coke/Pepsi nonsense?
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05-13-2008, 02:50 PM
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#277
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Franchise Player
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What is this Coke/Pepsi thing?
Do people actually think that Mormons can have one but not the other, because that is simply not the case
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05-13-2008, 02:54 PM
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#278
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
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Quote:
Originally Posted by J pold
What is this Coke/Pepsi thing?
Do people actually think that Mormons can have one but not the other, because that is simply not the case
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http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/mormon.asp
I assume that's what he's getting at.
Claim: The Mormons own the Coca-Cola company.
Status: False.
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05-13-2008, 05:10 PM
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#279
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Disenfranchised
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
You live in Lethbridge and you actually believe this Coke/Pepsi nonsense?
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Come on, look at his username. He believes that because he lives in Lethbridge.
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05-13-2008, 05:54 PM
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#280
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by J pold
I was born and raised as a Mormon so I know the ins and outs of the community
When my parents got divorced I stopped attending and haven’t look back since, it was mostly because of the treatment my mother received from her friends/family for divorcing my dad
Her whole side of the family are still very devote Mormons so it’s a little awkward for me but we still get along
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I experienced something similar. One of the big reasons I don't want anything to do with the church. Sometimes, when a member like that is in need, they are shunned. I believe a church should be helping someone in that situation.
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