How To Repel Mormons?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

One great thing about the Mormon church is that it is a massive source of genealogical information....and it is not just at the disposal of church members. If you ever want to research your family it's a great resource.

My mother used the churches records when she compiling a geneology of our family history. She was quite impressed with the work the Mormons had done.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by onetwo_threefour

Me neither.. But then I don't like beer either.. [duck and cover]. I'll drink hard stuff, but beer makes me gag.

I love beer but can't stand the taste of hard liquor. When i was younger my parents used to say they didn't have to worry about me becoming an alcoholic

[eddly]

Originally Posted by Slava

^^ Hey Eddly I thought that it was caffeine as well....so whats the rationale behind coffee being a sin? Just curious...whether I agree or not I can see why alcohol and things like that are off-limits, but coffee (and not pop or tea) seems like an odd one out!

Thanks.

Certain teas are forbidden as well (the ones with caffeine).

Rationale? I'll quote the related scripture for you below. When this scripture was given, it was not a commandment at first, but later became so. The prophets have indicated that strong drinks refers to coffee and tea. Later it refers to hot drinks as being forbidden, but again this has been clarified to mean that it was referring to coffee and tea. I have seen some wacko mormons insist that this actually means hot chocolate and other literal hot drinks are forbidden. These people are generally in the minority.

1 A Word OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—

2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—

3 Given for a principle with promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints.

4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

8 And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

14 All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

16 All grain is good for the food of man; as also the fruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;

19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;

20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.

21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by eddly

Basically if we can avoid it, we won't make purchases on Sunday. However, I have purchased medicine for my children on Sunday. Even as a missionary I once bought gas for our car on a Sunday. That wasn't a very good idea as I could have avoided that by buying gas the day before, but hey... I was young and not very organized back then lol.

You know what, there are other 'religions' that do that too.

Nothing wrong with it either, IMO.

[photon]

Originally Posted by onetwo_threefour

I wil henceforth describe myself as a strong agnostic weak atheist, and let people figure out what that means.

Lol if nothing else it encourages discussion

[eddly]

Originally Posted by Slava

^^ Hey Eddly I thought that it was caffeine as well....so whats the rationale behind coffee being a sin? Just curious...whether I agree or not I can see why alcohol and things like that are off-limits, but coffee (and not pop or tea) seems like an odd one out!

Thanks.

Another reason for the anti coffee sentiment is the fact that it prevents you from getting adequate rest for your body. Another scripture encourages us to essentially go to bed early and arise early (no one really pays much attention to that though). So coffee is considered bad because it "tricks" your body. Energy drinks create the same affect, but I haven't seen anyone with any authority talk about them in the mormon church. I'm sure they'll be something said about them eventually.

I don't claim to be a perfect mormon. Generally we are encouraged to try our best. Try to live a Christ-like life. Doing so perfectly is of course impossible. We are not perfect beings. I'm content with the fact that I'll make mistakes throughout my life. There are a lot of mormons who are obsessed with keeping up appearances of being "perfect". These people are generally depressed as they'll inevitably "fail" every day of their lives.

Mormons wish to share their beliefs as they sincerely believe that it is the true church on earth. There is no hidden agenda beyond that. So I would just be kind to them and kindly decline if you are not interested.

The way I see it, the purpose of life is to seek out happiness. If someone finds that in the Mormon church or wherever else (as long as it isn't illegal or infringe on the rights of others). I think we should respect that. Do Mormons have a monopoly on happiness? No.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by eddly

Another reason for the anti coffee sentiment is the fact that it prevents you from getting adequate rest for your body. Another scripture encourages us to essentially go to bed early and arise early (no one really pays much attention to that though). So coffee is considered bad because it "tricks" your body. Energy drinks create the same affect, but I haven't seen anyone with any authority talk about them in the mormon church. I'm sure they'll be something said about them eventually.

Fair enough, that's exactly the response I was looking for. I knew there's be a reason good enough for me to say "yeah I can see that". While I disagree, it doesn't make the argument any less valid.

Originally Posted by eddly

Do Mormons have a monopoly on happiness? No.

Of course not, Maritimers do!

[algernon]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Because it tastes like fecal matter?

That's why I don't drink it anyway!

How do you know what shinguard tastes like? I, at first didn't like coffee, but have become accustomed to the taste, and rather enjoy it now.

Originally Posted by eddly

1 A Word OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—


6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

So, if I understand this correctly... I could bathe in Coffee and git pissed on homebrew, and still get into heaven?

[arloiginla]

I had a buddy who had this old Mormon guy come to his house and ring the doorbell repeatedly. He must have known my buddy was home becuase he didn't give up. Apparently he picked up a handful of pebbles and threw them at the window, shouting all sorts of Mormon stuff at the same time.

So my buddy sneaks out the back door, grabs the garden hose, and lets him have it. Guy was dressed in a nice suit too. Never came back.

So there's my suggestion.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Slava

^^ Hey Eddly I thought that it was caffeine as well....so whats the rationale behind coffee being a sin? Just curious...whether I agree or not I can see why alcohol and things like that are off-limits, but coffee (and not pop or tea) seems like an odd one out!

Thanks.

Coffee and Tea contain some kind of acid. I think it is Titric(sp?) or something similar that is pretty bad for you. That is the main reason for no tea/coffee. Any herbal/green tea is fine to consume.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by algernon

How do you know what shinguard tastes like? I, at first didn't like coffee, but have become accustomed to the taste, and rather enjoy it now.

So, if I understand this correctly... I could bathe in Coffee and git pissed on homebrew, and still get into heaven?

Strong Drinks are referring to hard liquor, which should only be used to clean and disinfect.

I seem to recall that the 'wine' referred to here, and in other places in the Bible/Book of Mormon is talking about something that is closer to what we refer to as grape juice today. It is not like pulling out a bottle of your favorite red wine and having a glass with dinner. However I do think it is certainly possible that fermentation probably occurred to some degree in any fruit juice that was stored in an era that didn't have refrigeration. I don't think this is church doctrine though.

[eddly]

Originally Posted by algernon

How do you know what shinguard tastes like? I, at first didn't like coffee, but have become accustomed to the taste, and rather enjoy it now.

So, if I understand this correctly... I could bathe in Coffee and git pissed on homebrew, and still get into heaven?

Sounds like fun

[eddly]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Strong Drinks are referring to hard liquor, which should only be used to clean and disinfect.

I seem to recall that the 'wine' referred to here, and in other places in the Bible/Book of Mormon is talking about something that is closer to what we refer to as grape juice today. It is not like pulling out a bottle of your favorite red wine and having a glass with dinner. However I do think it is certainly possible that fermentation probably occurred to some degree in any fruit juice that was stored in an era that didn't have refrigeration. I don't think this is church doctrine though.

Right my mistake. Don't bathe in coffee.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by eddly

Right my mistake. Don't bathe in coffee.

So NOW you tell me?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Coffee and Tea contain some kind of acid. I think it is Titric(sp?) or something similar that is pretty bad for you. That is the main reason for no tea/coffee. Any herbal/green tea is fine to consume.

Another question for ya. Curious about eternal progression.

Thanks

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

I had a buddy who had this old Mormon guy come to his house and ring the doorbell repeatedly. He must have known my buddy was home becuase he didn't give up. Apparently he picked up a handful of pebbles and threw them at the window, shouting all sorts of Mormon stuff at the same time.

So my buddy sneaks out the back door, grabs the garden hose, and lets him have it. Guy was dressed in a nice suit too. Never came back.

So there's my suggestion.

Just out of curiosity, what would constitute shouting Mormon stuff? Was it something like any of these:

"Hey Bill, get your rear end out here and do your home teaching this month"

"Sally, have you made that doily for the centerpiece for the Fireside yet?"

"How is your food storage doing Frank?"

[Slava]

Thanks for the responses guys. I was just curious to know as I've heard rumours before but no clear cut information.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Dion

Another question for ya. Curious about eternal progression.

Thanks

Thats one heck of a question. Could you narrow it down a little bit? I could look on my bookshelf and see about 10 books that if you read might answer half that question.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Thats one heck of a question. Could you narrow it down a little bit? I could look on my bookshelf and see about 10 books that if you read might answer half that question.

Apologies - didn't realise it was that complex.

Guess i'm looking for an understanding of how one gets into the 3 diferrent kingdoms or levels of heaven. Or more importantly why you have 3 as oppossed to one that Christianity talks about.

Let me know if my question is still too long.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Slava

Thanks for the responses guys. I was just curious to know as I've heard rumours before but no clear cut information.

Happy to help.

Misinformation and century old rumors are the main things that are cited when someone says "Those Mormons are nuts".