04-17-2008, 05:24 PM
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Atomic Nerd
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Actor Jason Beghe leaves and speaks out against Scientology
Actor Jason Beghe (I also went, who???) is the first celebrity Scientologist to sit down and publicly talk about his experiences after leaving the group. He believes that over a decade, he ended up paying over $1 Million for treatments and courses. There's a Youtube interview out there with him but Scientology's lawyers are working hard to suppress it as the moment.
Anyway, I found this article which is much better at explaining the situation and it also has some juicy celebrity secrets and is generally quite well written and informative and entertaining. Apparentely Tom Cruise was distant from the Church for several years but they made an effort to pull him back in.
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"He was out for like ten years. There are people who just aren’t doing anything Some are out but don’t talk about it. Why? The church is scary. These are bad mother****ers."
Beghe says the proof that Scientology was no longer working for him came when he was almost killed in a car accident. After the L’s, he points out, that shouldn’t happen. “A clear isn’t supposed to have a car accident. You’re supposed to be practically immortal.”
Only about three years after joining, however, he says he started to have major problems. He had reached OT IV and was doing some special auditing, something referred to as “L Rundowns” or “L’s.” Beghe says the rundowns cost $150,000 to $160,000, but the payoff was immense: successfully completing the series would give someone serious juju. “You’re supposed to have the power to like take over a country,” he says.
“Scientology seduces you into thinking that it’s a process through which you can truly become yourself. But ultimately, what it turns you into is a Scientologist—a brainwashed version of yourself.”
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http://www.villagevoice.com/news/081...01,2.html/full
Last edited by Hack&Lube; 04-17-2008 at 05:27 PM.
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04-17-2008, 05:35 PM
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Xenu is going to be pissed.
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04-17-2008, 05:38 PM
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This might be mean to say, but that guy doesn't seem all that bright.
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04-17-2008, 05:46 PM
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I wonder how he got past the minefield on the other side of the barbed-wire fence?
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04-17-2008, 06:17 PM
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Those people are freaks.. Who spends cash and honestly believes they'll be immortal.. You gotta be pretty fing gullible to buy that load.
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04-17-2008, 06:18 PM
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Atomic Nerd
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Originally Posted by Locke
I wonder how he got past the minefield on the other side of the barbed-wire fence? 
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He's OT IX, he can walk over mines unharmed by silly things like explosions.
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04-17-2008, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
Those people are freaks.. Who spends cash and honestly believes they'll be immortal.. You gotta be pretty fing gullible to buy that load.
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Well yeah you have to be pretty dumb to sign up with a religion whose founder said "the way to make a million dollars is to start a religion".
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04-17-2008, 06:34 PM
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Queue the allegations of sexual harassment, torturing of small animals, parking violations and j-walking incidents. This actor may actually become famous after this.
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04-17-2008, 06:44 PM
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04-17-2008, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LeftWing
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Pretty hilarious video, those people are gullible..
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04-17-2008, 07:17 PM
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I heard on the internets that some of the higher OT's are convinced that this Scientology exposure is all due to some alien influence that has infiltrated itself onto the planet. Serious business.
Where is your Xenu now?
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04-17-2008, 07:43 PM
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All hail Xenu!
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04-17-2008, 07:54 PM
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Had an idea!
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He's going to be nuked and dumped on Pluto to invade the minds of civilizations that will eventually be started there.
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04-17-2008, 07:54 PM
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I would really love to take a religion course in university that dealt with Scientology. I'm not really religious, but how they get so many ppl do dedicate time/money/energy into something like this really interests me.
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04-17-2008, 11:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by burn_this_city
Those people are freaks.. Who spends cash and honestly believes they'll be immortal.. You gotta be pretty fing gullible to buy that load.
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Do Christians who throw cash into the church collection plate count? There's a reason John 3:16 is one of the most well-known Biblical passages:
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Originally Posted by King James Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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04-17-2008, 11:44 PM
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Do you think he's just mad that he's the only Scientologist actor who isn't famous?
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04-17-2008, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MarchHare
Do Christians who throw cash into the church collection plate count? There's a reason John 3:16 is one of the most well-known Biblical passages:
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Not to open a massive religious can of worms but I guess so.. I was mostly speaking in the context of people spending hundreds of thousands to move up the ladder in the church of scientology..
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04-17-2008, 11:52 PM
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Atomic Nerd
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Originally Posted by burn_this_city
Not to open a massive religious can of worms but I guess so.. I was mostly speaking in the context of people spending hundreds of thousands to move up the ladder in the church of scientology..
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Yeah, how much you donate hasn't officially moved you up the ladder of Christianity since the dark ages and Pope's selling indugences. Of course, it does in some people's minds...
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04-18-2008, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Temporary_User
I would really love to take a religion course in university that dealt with Scientology. I'm not really religious, but how they get so many ppl do dedicate time/money/energy into something like this really interests me.
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You don't need a course to tell you what's going on. It's pretty obivious. Many religions, instutions, cults, companies, governments, dictators, leaders, or just basic groups of people in human history all exemplify these practices in one way or another...through the centuries they've realized that the same methods work on people - peer pressure, fear tactics, guilt tactics, confession, monetary donation or charges for penance/treatment, mind-control, addiction, etc... are good ways of controlling people.
It's a combination of guilt/fear with the extortion with control of information (they record all your secrets), with a bit of peer pressure and brainwashing->
Scientology says that with the proper time and financial investment in their courses, learning, and treatments, you will achieve a level where you master your mind and body and your worldly troubles go away. Of course, those troubles don't go away, they only get worse because you basically ruin your life doing their treatments and in desperation, you keep doing more. It's like a drug addiction. All the while, the church becomes your life and your family and friends and if you try to break, they peer pressure you or convince you to keep trying or else they shun or guilt you.
Like Jason was saying, Scientology tells people they can cure you of certain things, whether it's migraines or homosexuality (rumored to be offered to Travolta) through their treatments but you find that those things are still there (because they are real while Scientology is brain-washing bunk). You find your issues get even worse and you get more and more stressed out by this psychosis (as what would really help - professional help or psychiatric help is literally Scientology's Satan) but you have no recourse but to pay more and more as the Church and your peers pressure you into thinking that you are on the right path or keep telling you there's something else wrong with you or stopping you (suppressing as they say) and you just have to keep doing it and paying for it through your nose.
Last edited by Hack&Lube; 04-18-2008 at 12:46 AM.
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04-18-2008, 12:45 AM
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From the brief interview, this guy doesn't seem to be the sharpest knife in the block, though anyone that sticks with the $cientology program for a few years must have serious shortcomings.
At the same time, its kinda scary that a "religion" like this can catch on and become a worldwide phenomenon.
I think it must be human nature to look for "something more". These people just get duped.
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