04-08-2008, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Teh_Bandwagoner
Sure... I think so. I had to look up o-hoshii. And no idea if it goes before or after the verb. You could have also gone with the hardcore Jap speak and said "Kekeke... Ore mo! 2007 Tokyo ni ikitta ze! Hoshii 2009 kaeru da yo... teme!" Same thing, but sounds cooler lol.
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You know what, I've been learning all the polite notations, and they said don't bother with the informal speak if you're not a pro...Although I wish I could have it roll off my tongue like that in real life....I find speaking informally is much harder to understand, cause it goes against alot of the structure we're taught as language students.
Not even sure if it's "o-hoshii", ni hoshii, or ga hoshii.......Just going by what I'm assuming is correct when it comes to the always complicated Japanese particles lol...
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04-08-2008, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
You know what, I've been learning all the polite notations, and they said don't bother with the informal speak if you're not a pro...Although I wish I could have it roll off my tongue like that in real life....I find speaking informally is much harder to understand, cause it goes against alot of the structure we're taught as language students.
Not even sure if it's "o-hoshii", ni hoshii, or ga hoshii.......Just going by what I'm assuming is correct when it comes to the always complicated Japanese particles lol...
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Fo sho. I'd never use the impolite terms to speak. But I'll be damned if I ever want to understand the regular Japanese person (or anime lol) without it heh. I noticed the typical Japanese person mixes up the formal and informal a lot anyway. Some "impolite" terms almost seem more polite sometimes. For instance, I almost never heard anyone say "wakarimasen" while I was there. I pretty much always heard "wakaranai".
Anyway... DERAILEDz0rz!!!
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04-08-2008, 08:08 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: beautiful calgary alberta
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Originally Posted by Daradon
I was not only offered, but actually persued to be a male escort (for women, cause yes obviously there is huge business the other way too) right here in Cowtown, by a coworker a few years ago who was into (and very successful might I add) several underground trades.
Weird. Fun to hear and think about for 24 hours, but very easy to say no to.
The figures he gave me though, for money I would make... Shizzle... If I even got half of what he was talking it about it would be huge bucks...
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how u say around here? this post is useless without pics?
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04-09-2008, 06:46 AM
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Location: Yokohama
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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
You know what, I've been learning all the polite notations, and they said don't bother with the informal speak if you're not a pro...Although I wish I could have it roll off my tongue like that in real life....I find speaking informally is much harder to understand, cause it goes against alot of the structure we're taught as language students.
Not even sure if it's "o-hoshii", ni hoshii, or ga hoshii.......Just going by what I'm assuming is correct when it comes to the always complicated Japanese particles lol...
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Who's they?
Informal speak is 90% of the Japanese language. The fact that it's not taught at a learning level makes it more difficult to adapt, IMHO. And "欲しい" (hoshii) is used incorrectly. You're probably best using the -tai version of iku行く or modoru戻る to express a desire to return.
=Back on track=
This article is bull, like most of "weird Japan" articles that get over in the western media that mistake a weird blip as some kind of trend. The host culture (which is rooted in a working class, rural definition of cheap beauty) and the get quick rich clubs exist, but some spinster with money pays a stupid amount for one and it's a trend. The idea of paying someone to keep you company is an old one here in Japan, and most of people that frequent these types of clients are hostesses.
I wish it were as easy as the article makes it look. My wife would have me doing this full time if it really were that common (or true).
Last edited by TheCommodoreAfro; 04-09-2008 at 06:52 AM.
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04-09-2008, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TheCommodoreAfro
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Who's they?
Informal speak is 90% of the Japanese language. The fact that it's not taught at a learning level makes it more difficult to adapt, IMHO. And "欲しい" (hoshii) is used incorrectly. You're probably best using the -tai version of iku行く or modoru戻る to express a desire to return.
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Well, my Japanese teachers and the audiobooks I use to learn the language, including one of the best systems's around, Pimsleur's Japanese language program. Learning the proper polite notation is actually quite useful. I know you live(d) there Commodore, but when I was there I got by quite well using the polite notation considering I wasn't a native. Perhaps when I go back there again I will start to pick up on the informal methods.
As for the verbage, that's one of the hardest parts - memorization of all the verb conjugations, as I'm sure you can attest to!
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04-09-2008, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
Well, my Japanese teachers and the audiobooks I use to learn the language, including one of the best systems's around, Pimsleur's Japanese language program. Learning the proper polite notation is actually quite useful. I know you live(d) there Commodore, but when I was there I got by quite well using the polite notation considering I wasn't a native. Perhaps when I go back there again I will start to pick up on the informal methods.
As for the verbage, that's one of the hardest parts - memorization of all the verb conjugations, as I'm sure you can attest to!
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Hey, it's all useful. But if you ever want to grasp it, nobody uses the polite form, so it makes it hard to figure out what everyone's going on about which doesn't help in aiding comprehension when spoken to. I've been here for a while (two trips, closing in on eight years, and studied for a couple of years back in Calgary), and speak, read and write the language now so I'm pretty set on how the language should be studied, I guess (as an example, I recommend those who can't read the language when they arrive here to study katakana first as it will give them an "instant" vocabulary). Once you get the conjugation patterns down things pick up really quickly so I have no idea why they insist on teaching them "backward" relative to how the language is taught otherwise. Keep it up!
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04-09-2008, 12:01 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
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i think it's really funny Buzzard's wife is posting on here as "BuzzardsWife".
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04-09-2008, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TheCommodoreAfro
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Who's they?
Informal speak is 90% of the Japanese language. The fact that it's not taught at a learning level makes it more difficult to adapt, IMHO. And "欲しい" (hoshii) is used incorrectly. You're probably best using the -tai version of iku行く or modoru戻る to express a desire to return.
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Good call on the -tai ending! I JUST learned that in my Japanese class yesterday. That was the last class of the semester too. I was totally thinking about this thread when the teacher was explaining this.
Back on topic: So you're gonna hire one, right GirlySports?  Report back on what it was like!
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04-09-2008, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Teh_Bandwagoner
Good call on the -tai ending! I JUST learned that in my Japanese class yesterday. That was the last class of the semester too. I was totally thinking about this thread when the teacher was explaining this.
Back on topic: So you're gonna hire one, right GirlySports?  Report back on what it was like!
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Geez, I forgot about the -tai ending.....Tabetai, Nomitai.....I knew that...Blargh!
BTW, do people there say, for example, "nomitaku arimasen?" or do they just say "nomimasen"?
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04-09-2008, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
Geez, I forgot about the -tai ending.....Tabetai, Nomitai.....I knew that...Blargh!
BTW, do people there say, for example, "nomitaku arimasen?" or do they just say "nomimasen"?
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"Nomitaku nai" I'm guessing? I don't hear "arimasen" all that much, unless as a sentence in of itself. "Nai" is a much more common term instead of "arimasen". Actually "ja nai" is slang for "Dewa arimasen"
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04-09-2008, 05:27 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
i think it's really funny Buzzard's wife is posting on here as "BuzzardsWife".
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Glad you said that! When I first started posting one guy reported me to the big wigs of CP! I guess he was offended by it. I've been reading CP for years but I didn't join because I thought my husband wouldn't want me in his territory. He just kinda rolls his eyes about it.
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04-09-2008, 06:59 PM
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Hmm, I wonder if my Native Canadian Indian escort service would fly in Japan?
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04-09-2008, 07:00 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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04-09-2008, 07:07 PM
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Okay, that freaked me out man.
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04-10-2008, 09:09 AM
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NOT breaking news
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Originally Posted by Teh_Bandwagoner
Back on topic: So you're gonna hire one, right GirlySports?  Report back on what it was like!
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Meh.
If I was a CEO who made like a million a year I might consider it.
It's probably done to show off status more than anything. Like at a HS reunion.. I can show off a HAWT guy
How do you guys all know Japanese? Isn't it super hard to learn?
I'm Chinese (from Singapore) and I think Japanese is so strange.
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04-10-2008, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
How do you guys all know Japanese? Isn't it super hard to learn?
I'm Chinese (from Singapore) and I think Japanese is so strange.
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All three of us? lol.....
Japanese is infinitely easier to learn than Chinese, especially for someone who doesn't know any Asian languages, primarily because Western words and an alphabet (Katakana) are adopted into the Japanese language. It's rather easy, and for me, INFINITELY more easier than learning French or Spanish.
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04-10-2008, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
Meh.
If I was a CEO who made like a million a year I might consider it.
It's probably done to show off status more than anything. Like at a HS reunion.. I can show off a HAWT guy
How do you guys all know Japanese? Isn't it super hard to learn?
I'm Chinese (from Singapore) and I think Japanese is so strange.
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You don't need to be a millionaire. I give you good deal long time
I learned Japanese for the sake of travelling. I always make it a point to learn as much of a native language as I can before I travel there, and I was in Tokyo for 2 weeks in 2006. I went to Japanese because I'm into Japanese anime and music heh.
Japanese isn't bad. Easier than Cantonese or Mandarin. Technically, there are only two tones in Japanese, as opposed to the 7 and 4 in Cantonese and Mandarin. Plus there's only two tenses: past and present. If you know Chinese, Japanese isn't too bad because a lot of the sentence structure is similar. Conjugations are pretty simple, especially if you compare it to French. Then again, maybe it's just simple for me. I have a knack for languages.
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04-10-2008, 02:35 PM
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
All three of us? lol.....
Japanese is infinitely easier to learn than Chinese, especially for someone who doesn't know any Asian languages, primarily because Western words and an alphabet (Katakana) are adopted into the Japanese language. It's rather easy, and for me, INFINITELY more easier than learning French or Spanish.
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Three of you is alot!
I actually have never tried to learn Japanese. I've just heard it was extremely difficult. It you say it's easier than French then I'll have to take a harder look cause French is impossible!
Maybe I'm too used to tones..up and down all the time. Japanese has no tones?
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04-10-2008, 03:04 PM
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Likes Cartoons
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
Meh.
If I was a CEO who made like a million a year I might consider it.
It's probably done to show off status more than anything. Like at a HS reunion.. I can show off a HAWT guy
How do you guys all know Japanese? Isn't it super hard to learn?
I'm Chinese (from Singapore) and I think Japanese is so strange.
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I don't know Japanese. I just pick bad words up from anime. Such as Baka and such. That is the extent of my japanese speaking skills.
btw, I think chinglish, or singlish is a lot harder to learn. Only reason why i can understand singaporeans is becase I'm from malaysia.
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04-10-2008, 03:12 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
Three of you is alot!
I actually have never tried to learn Japanese. I've just heard it was extremely difficult. It you say it's easier than French then I'll have to take a harder look cause French is impossible!
Maybe I'm too used to tones..up and down all the time. Japanese has no tones?
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Two tones, and likely the one of the easiest languages to learn.
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