Need painting advice!

[GoinAllTheWay]

So I was all revved up to get started on some house wide painting today. Got the room I wanted to start in all ready and went at it. Problem is, when I roll on the paint(my God what a difference), it seems to be ripping down a town of stipple. The house was built in the early 80's so the stipple has been up there for some time. If I went over the same area twice, I would actually lift off the stipple.

I bought a roller that was meant for rough surfaces and I think that may have been my first mistake, I guess there is a roller made specifically for stippled ceilings. 2nd mistake was I realized that in my haste to get going, I was applying primer. Not that I think that is a big deal but primer can be pretty thick and sticky stuff which leads to my next question:

Should paint be thinned out some with water and if so, in what proportion? I thought I heard a guy one day saying the paints that Rona sells are a bit thick and need to be thinned out some, can anyone verify that?

How many coats should you put up on a ceiling? Is it normal to have stipple flying around in the process? The roller I had was completely packed full of the stuff and that as only after doing maybe 1/5th of the ceiling.

Any tips you guys have would be great. I'm really disappointed I didn't really get any work done today and need to make up for it tomorrow.

Thanks in advance.

[redforever]

First of all, what kind of paint are you using? U should not be using a water based product on stipple.

[Shin Pad]

Originally Posted by redforever

First of all, what kind of paint are you using? U should not be using a water based product on stipple.

Not quite - just like with painting new gypsum board that hasn't been painted before, you need to use a primer first. Then you can use whatever type of paint you want.

I think that the type of paint isn't the problem here - I think it is the quality of the original spray textured finish. Anyway. try the primer first.

[Locke]

#1. Acquire a homeless man.

#2. Give this man paint and some sort of painting apparatus.

#3. Attach food to a beloved pet.

#4. Mix.

Done.


My advice is useless.

[MacDougalbry]

Are you trying to paint the ceiling?

You might want to try spraying instead. You can buy a Wagner power sprayer for as cheap as $60, although those cheapo type of sprayers take a lot of finesse to use as they love to spatter paint. I think you can also get a special attachment for spraying upwards.

You could also experiment with using an oil based paint; it may be less likely to dissolve the stipple.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by redforever

First of all, what kind of paint are you using? U should not be using a water based product on stipple.

Agreed.

Use an oil based ceiling paint is the only way to go and will only require one coat. It will also seal in any stains and smells.

As for a roller sleeve, there are big yellow spongy looking sleeves made for doing stipple - anything else will do exactly what you are saying and ruin the ceiling.

I hope you have made sure everything is either covered in plastic or removed from the room as rolling a ceiling is not the cleanest of jobs. Get yourself some old clothes and a clear plastic face mask of some sort.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by MacDougalbry

Are you trying to paint the ceiling?

You might want to try spraying instead. You can buy a Wagner power sprayer for as cheap as $60, although those cheapo type of sprayers take a lot of finesse to use as they love to spatter paint. I think you can also get a special attachment for spraying upwards.

You could also experiment with using an oil based paint; it may be less likely to dissolve the stipple.

We just finished redoing our daughter's room. The stippled ceiling was the bane of my existence. Stipple was falling down all around me and I couldn't for the life of me get even coverage. We bought a cheapo (about $80) Wagner Powerpainter at Home Depot and it did the trick in about 20 minutes. As MacD said, it took a bit of trial and error to get it to spray properly straight up but once we got the hang of it - money!

[GoinAllTheWay]

It is a latex based paint from Rona, their Expressions series I believe. It said it was suitable for all ceilings but I really think it is far to thick and that is part of the problem. Not sure how latex compares to oil based but that sprayer sounds like a more desirable solution, do you have to buy/mix special paint for it?

Probably not a bad investment anyways as this is just one room of many.

Yes, everything including trim, hardware and lighting has been removed from the room. Only thing exposed are the walls and ceiling.

Thanks for the advice guys, I hate Home Depot but will check out those sprayers. Anyone know if they are sold at Rona as well?

[Madman]

I wish you luck - a proper oil based ceiling paint from someone like Glidden and the proper roller sleeve would put a sprayer to shame.

[go iggy]

I have a paint question.

I painted my fence last year with a red stain. After looking at it I think it looks terrible. Can I paint over it with black paint? Does anyone have a fence painted black or heard of that?

thanks

[Old Yeller]

Yeah the stain has already set in and protected the wood so you could paint it purple with brown polka dots if you want....

(which I still think is better than black)

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Madman

I wish you luck - a proper oil based ceiling paint from someone like Glidden and the proper roller sleeve would put a sprayer to shame.

Thanks for the tip. I did go look for that brand, couldn't find an oil based ceiling paint by them but did pick up another recommended one and now with the correct roller, it went on like a charm.

Thanks guys, I'm well under way now.

[go iggy]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

Yeah the stain has already set in and protected the wood so you could paint it purple with brown polka dots if you want....

(which I still think is better than black)

Does the paint that goes over the stain have to be water based or oil?

[Madman]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

Thanks for the tip. I did go look for that brand, couldn't find an oil based ceiling paint by them but did pick up another recommended one and now with the correct roller, it went on like a charm.

Thanks guys, I'm well under way now.

Glad to hear it all worked out for you.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by go iggy

Does the paint that goes over the stain have to be water based or oil?

I'd use Flood solid colour stain. It's a great exterior product and combines the best of the oil and latex worlds.

[redforever]

[quote=GoinAllTheWay;1241840]It is a latex based paint from Rona, their Expressions series I believe. It said it was suitable for all ceilings but I really think it is far to thick and that is part of the problem. Not sure how latex compares to oil based but that sprayer sounds like a more desirable solution, do you have to buy/mix special paint for it?


Latex = water based = no no when painting stippled ceilings

[EDBTZ12]

I own a painting business and if anyone has any questions or needs advice i'd be happy to answer them.

Also Latex paint can be and is widely used for re-painting stippled celings. Lacquer will probably be banned in Alberta within the next year or so following other provinces already that have banned it.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by MacDougalbry

Are you trying to paint the ceiling?

You might want to try spraying instead. You can buy a Wagner power sprayer for as cheap as $60, although those cheapo type of sprayers take a lot of finesse to use as they love to spatter paint. I think you can also get a special attachment for spraying upwards.

You could also experiment with using an oil based paint; it may be less likely to dissolve the stipple.

Can you not rent a decent paint gun and compressor. I'm sure you must be able to do something like that in this town.

I'm thinking of doing exactly that as I have a second level deck where the underside has never been painted and I think it would be a lot easier to spray paint it than to go at it with a brush and roller.

[alltherage]

Spray paint?

[GoinAllTheWay]

Wow, old bump, that weired me out, lol.

Using a roller isn't that bad actually. The ceilings in my place reach 18 ft at their highest and I had no problems rolling on paint.