Democratic Presidential Primaries 2008

[Nehkara]

Delegate Update!

Total Delegates:

Clinton 1479
Obama 1618 (139 ahead)


Pledged Delegates:

Clinton 1242
Obama 1411(169 ahead)


Superdelegates:

Clinton 237 (30 ahead)
Obama 207


Obama gains 7 pledged delegates, Clinton loses 1.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

Superdelegates:

Clinton 237 (30 ahead)
Obama 207


Obama gains 7 pledged delegates, Clinton loses 1.

Clinton's campaign is starting to bleed out. Obama's momentum looks unstoppable now. If Clinton wants a chance at the convention (and the nomination), she's going to have to really turn the tides soon.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Clinton's campaign is starting to bleed out. Obama's momentum looks unstoppable now. If Clinton wants a chance at the convention (and the nomination), she's going to have to really turn the tides soon.

Most polls actually show Clinton making serious ground on Obama the last couple of weeks:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ation-191.html

I think Obama will probably finish with the victory, but the race is far from decided.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by blankall

Most polls actually show Clinton making serious ground on Obama the last couple of weeks:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ation-191.html

I think Obama will probably finish with the victory, but the race is far from decided.

I agree. But once superdelegates start to move to Obama, I think that's a concern for Clinton. This is going all the way until the convention, but Clinton has to hold onto the superdelegates.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

I agree. But once superdelegates start to move to Obama, I think that's a concern for Clinton. This is going all the way until the convention, but Clinton has to hold onto the superdelegates.

Its going all the way to the convention no matter what.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its going all the way to the convention no matter what.

I know. Im just saying the Clinton had a very strong lead when it came to superdelegates. The more than move over to the Obama camp, the harder it is for Clinton to make an argument for the nomination at the convention.

[Hemi-Cuda]

when Clinton was on the Daily Show, she said that it was healthy for the primaries to last all the way until the convention, and made a point of saying that when Bill was nominated as the democratic candidate in 92 he didn't win until the convention. so i don't think we'll be seeing her pull out anytime soon

[HotHotHeat]

Did anyone else see Tracy Morgan on SNL last night?

It's been removed from Youtube, but it's up on this site:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...p_n_91736.html
(Scroll down, second video titled "Tracy Morgan on Weekend Update")

. . .those who were wringing their hands over a perceived bias in favor of Hillary Clinton of late, fret not — last night's program not only featured a full-on endorsement of Barack Obama, it also completely derailed the candidacy of John McCain by portraying him as old. Damn you for thwarting our democracy, SNL!

"Bitch may be the new black, but black is the new president, bitch"

Great to see some balance brought to SNL...Clinton has had it easy until now.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Did anyone else see Tracy Morgan on SNL last night?

It's been removed from Youtube, but it's up on this site:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...p_n_91736.html
(Scroll down, second video titled "Tracy Morgan on Weekend Update")

. . .those who were wringing their hands over a perceived bias in favor of Hillary Clinton of late, fret not — last night's program not only featured a full-on endorsement of Barack Obama, it also completely derailed the candidacy of John McCain by portraying him as old. Damn you for thwarting our democracy, SNL!

"Bitch may be the new black, but black is the new president, bitch"

Great to see some balance brought to SNL...Clinton has had it easy until now.

I didn't think Clinton was getting any bias on SNL - most of the skits had Obama being fawned over, while Clinton appeared shrill and whiny. The point was that Obama was getting treated with kid gloves by the media, but the implication was he deserved it, and was unbeatable.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by troutman

I didn't think Clinton was getting any bias on SNL - most of the skits had Obama being fawned over, while Clinton appeared shrill and whiny. The point was that Obama was getting treated with kid gloves by the media, but the implication was he deserved it, and was unbeatable.

The bias debate is questionable, they had definitely given her more face time. Maybe that was in response to her complaining, though.


Two fairly large developments today, both reported by CNN.

First, a new poll says majority of Democrats support Obama.

(CNN) -- A majority of Democrats would like to see Barack Obama rather than Hillary Clinton win their party's presidential nomination, according to a national poll out Monday.

Fifty-two percent of registered Democrats questioned in a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey say the senator from Illinois is their choice for president, with 45 percent supporting Clinton.

The poll also suggests Democrats are more enthusiastic about an Obama victory (45 percent) than for a victory by the senator from New York (38 percent).

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/...ats/index.html


Also, various news sources reporting 100,000's of republicans came out to support Hillary in both Ohio and Texas. Are you listening Super-delegates?

There’s no doubt the 2008 campaign has been full of twists and surprises, and here’s one more: Republicans are coming out in huge numbers to vote for Hillary Clinton.

That’s right. About 100,000 Republicans came out to support Clinton in Ohio. 119,000 voted for her in Texas, and 38,000 in Mississippi.

The Boston Globe reports on why this is happening: Some Republicans are supporting Clinton hoping it will prolong her bitter fight for the nomination with Barack Obama. Others think Clinton would be an easier opponent for John McCain to beat in November. And still others are voting for Clinton because they want to keep her in the race to expose more information about Obama ahead of the general election.

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/20...llary-clinton/

[Azure]

How can registered Republicans vote in the Democrat primaries?

I thought you could only vote for the party you were registered with?

[MarchHare]

Some states have open primaries, allowing anyone to vote in either party's primary. Other states permit voters to switch their declared party affiliation at the polls and then vote right away.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Also, various news sources reporting 100,000's of republicans came out to support Hillary in both Ohio and Texas. Are you listening Super-delegates?

-voting-for-hillary-clinton/

I suggested earlier in this thread that Rush Limbaugh encouraged his listeners to do this very thing. Scary to me how much influence he has.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Some states have open primaries, allowing anyone to vote in either party's primary. Other states permit voters to switch their declared party affiliation at the polls and then vote right away.

Ahhh, okay.

Thanks.

[LChoy]

I don't remember learning this in university, but is the Canadian system for electing party leaders this complicated?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

It is pretty well impossible for Clinton to overcome Obama's lead in delegates now. It is interesting to note that Clinton has not won a single super delegate since Super Tuesday (Feb 5th) and has actually seens a loss of super delegates. Her campaign is still holding fast to the idea that she won Texas, even though she lost the state from a delegate perspective. Clinton's only hope is to continue to split the party and hope that she, and the DLC, can twist enough arms to support her.

I also said a while ago that Republicans could skew the open primaries and slant the "popular" vote, in normally red States, to Clinton's favor. There is an obvious reason for this strategy, and the dittoheads know it from listening to Rush. Clinton's campaigning against Obama on the essentially exact same platform that McCain is running on, and all those things that Clinton claims superiority over Obama, McCain has over both in spades. This is why Obama is the only candidate for the Democratic party. The campaigns will be completely different, and the public will have a choice between two different perspectives. If its McCain versus Clinton, its two of the same with the very little to differentiate the two. In fact, McCain gets the nod IMO, as he has more of everything Clinton claims to have on the experience side of the fence. The best thing that could happen right now is for Clinton to go away, because she doesn't stand a hope based on the game she's playing against Obama. If she somehow happens to defeat Obama, she walks right into the lion's den, where McCain uses every single position she used to defeat Obama, to defeat Clinton. This is why the Republicans are sporting a woody for Clinton, and why they are coming out in droves to support the woman they vilfied for years.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Dunno if this was posted, but it seems appropriate:

http://picnicface.com/videos.php?videoID=44

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Azure

How can registered Republicans vote in the Democrat primaries?

I thought you could only vote for the party you were registered with?

Welcome to the screwy world of American politics!

This is why the caucases are more important to the nomination process than the open primaries. The caucases are closed and require quite the commitment to participate (hours of votes and revotes sometimes). Obama has owned Clinton in the caucases, which is why she tries to marginalize them as much as possible, and only focus on the large states where the open primary was used to show the "support" she is getting.

[Dan02]

So Florida is not going to do a revote, i sense lawsuits impending. Theres no way they can allow the Florida results to stand. Perhaps they'll turn every Florida delegate into a super delegate.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Welcome to the screwy world of American politics!

No kiddin'.

Is it always like this? I don't remember this kind of circus when Kerry was trying to become President.

He of course went through a process but it wasn't like this. Had anyone even heard of a "superdelegate" before 6 months ago?

You know someone is getting rich off all of this but I can't figure out who. Television studios? Catering companies? The "media"? These people are spending tens of millions of dollars for the right to spend tens of millions more.

Is there another country in the world that has such a long, drawn out and expensive way of electing a leader?