WEED - As Long as We're Talking Drugs...

[jayswin]

Me and my friends used to buy weed at the crack mac's on 8th when we were in high school. It seemed like such an innocent thing to do at the time, you just walk up to some sketchy looking guy, find a secure (what we thought was secure) spot, score your weed, and be on your way.

When I started playing hockey with a cop, I told him about how we used to buy weed there, and how I couldn't believe there weren't more cops around, when it was such a well known drug transation area. He just laughed, and told me my every move was being watched by cops nine out of ten times, but that they didn't care about high school teenagers buying $20 worth of weed, they were waiting for bigger things to go down.

[red '00]

Fairly regular user here... What can I say, I enjoy it more than drinking. I don't like the effect of alcohol compared to weed...unable to walk straight and acting like an idiot when you've had to much vs. getting really relaxed, having some laughs and eating all the cookies in the house... not to get me wrong, getting a little tipsy every now and then can be fun, but i guess i just prefer the laid-back, 'i don't give a f***' kinda buzz i get from smoking

[red '00]

Originally Posted by Wookie

The problem with that comparison is people who get drunk every day are alcoholics! So like I said, pothead hippy is no different than drunk drunky!

the problem with that is there is a big difference...when's the last time you heard about some guy coming home, smoking a few fat joints, then beating the crap out of his wife in a rage? alcohol can make people violent, and can make people do really really stupid things without even thinking twice about it.

I don't care how much weed you sit down and smoke, it does not change your ability to know right from wrong and impair you to the point you don't even know what you're doing. alcohol creates far more problems and accidents then weed does, far more.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

just to play devil's advocate for Red '00

- I've never once had "alcohol rage" in fact alcohol makes me more easy going, happier (when drunk), more social, and more fun to be around. I enjoy getting a good drunk on and carrying around, and having fun. I know that it does make some people angry and do stupid things. However I've also seen pot negatively effect people's lives, I know some people who are in a constant state of burn out, and who need to smoke daily. I wouldn't think the ratio is the same as alcohol mind you, but marijuana is a controlled substance soemthing that will curb the mere quantity of users to addicts.

Seconly when's the last time you heard of a mounties being gunned down, and police going undercover for a big alcohol sting? Sadly it happens with marijuana.

Are they the same no. Is alcohol worse? Debatable.

I don't think there's a parallel with the wife beating thing from alcohol to marijuana (kinda like how there isn't a parallel with the cop shooting I mention above). How many people have a few beer and actually go home and beat their wives? Stereotypically speaking (as that ratio would actually be very low in terms of per captia instances, and all that this kind of argument can be based on for either side) if you have 2 or 3 beer, is anyone going to be drunk enough to go into a rage and beat their significant other? After 12 or 15 beers? Possibly I guess if that's your personality (some would argue alcohol only brings out your true self). If you smoked 12-15 joints in the same time period could you know what's going on? Could you be so paranoid that you would become violent? (in fairnes I don't know, never smoked weed, let alone in that amount, just putting together scenerios from people I know, and what was said here).

All that said, your choice in small doces. Decriminalize it in small quantities, make the punishment for dealers and trafficers stiffer.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by red '00

the problem with that is there is a big difference...when's the last time you heard about some guy coming home, smoking a few fat joints, then beating the crap out of his wife in a rage? alcohol can make people violent, and can make people do really really stupid things without even thinking twice about it.

I don't care how much weed you sit down and smoke, it does not change your ability to know right from wrong and impair you to the point you don't even know what you're doing. alcohol creates far more problems and accidents then weed does, far more.

"Oh look, a castle! Oh look, a castle! Oh look, a castle!......"

Beer is evil!

NO! WEED IS EVIL!

Your liver is ed!

Your lungs are wrecked!

Your brain is fried!

SO IS YOURS!!!!!
(....uuuuhhh, ooooohhh yeah maaaannnn....)

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No powder, no pills, and generally one will be okay. IMO

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Not to be a jerk, but I'll assume you're a teen. You run across many people in your life who can hook you up. Hell, my next door neighbour used was the most upstanding of people you can find, but moved weight as a job and had a quite nice carriage house.

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, he's a teen because he doesn't know people that can hook you up.



Some of us have never touched the stuff, eh.....how would we know anything about getting it?

Azure is right. I'm certainly not a teen, and haven't been for about 7 years. But I have never smoked, and therefore don't know where one would even begin to buy the stuff.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Azure is right. I'm certainly not a teen, and haven't been for about 7 years. But I have never smoked, and therefore don't know where one would even begin to buy the stuff.

Meh... you don't usually find 26-something year olds who all of a sudden are trying to figure out how to get weed and genuinely have no clue. You should have a friend, or a friend of a friend who does it more than once a year. Just ask that person where they get it. If you want a 'reputeable' source you're SOL until you find one yourself. Otherwise you have to overpay for crap weed on the street (i'm sure i've seen shady looking people working the trade around 8th ave. and 1st st.). There is no way to find someone dependable/trustworthy without going through your social network somehow... dealers tend not to take out advertisements.

[jofillips]

this is actually quite a good little debate.
maritime q-scout - a good advantage with weed is that if you take too much you'll just fall asleep, i have never ever seen someones personality change from smoking.

With alcohol its a different matter, many normal people utterly change when drunk and depending on the situation turn into utter pricks.
( i know its hard to do this but just watch friends when they're drunk, the repetition alone is enough to make you think they've all got alzheimers!)

Oh and my experience of meeting many people in alberta (maybe calgary and edmonton are totally different) shocked me compared to britain (i assume britons drink a hell of a lot more) - everybody i met knew of an immediate family member or close friend who has been abused/affected by an alcoholic close to them.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

And don't buy into any of the "it's an experience" or "it's enlightening" horseshat. It's no more of an experience -- religious, enlightening, perceptive, noble or anything else -- than getting drunk is.

i believe the Beatles would disagree.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

And don't buy into any of the "it's an experience" or "it's enlightening" horseshat. It's no more of an experience -- religious, enlightening, perceptive, noble or anything else -- than getting drunk is.

If you'd never had a drink before in your life I'd tell you to try one or two because 'it's an experience'. If you get drunk/high more than once in your life then sure, neither hold that much amazing insight... but if you've never (ever) done one or the other then I'd think doing them would definitely be 'an experience'. It (temporarily) changes your point of view completely, pretty valuable imo if you've never had that type of 'experience' before. My 2 cents.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

If you'd never had a drink before in your life I'd tell you to try one or two because 'it's an experience'. If you get drunk/high more than once in your life then sure, neither hold that much amazing insight... but if you've never (ever) done one or the other then I'd think doing them would definitely be 'an experience'. It (temporarily) changes your point of view completely, pretty valuable imo if you've never had that type of 'experience' before. My 2 cents.

Fair enough. It is "an experience". I guess what I mean is that it's not some enlightening or mind-expanding thing, which your typical dreadlocked pothead has tried to tell me a million times.

It's just a different way to get wasted. No more, no less.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Fair enough. It is "an experience". I guess what I mean is that it's not some enlightening or mind-expanding thing, which your typical dreadlocked pothead has tried to tell me a million times.

It's just a different way to get wasted. No more, no less.

I'd consider doing something like weed or mushrooms for the first time to be an 'enlightening or mind-expanding thing', though this might just be a difference in definition. Using mushrooms, for example, puts you in a state of mind you've never been in your entire life. It changes your perception and gives you the (artificial) feeling of essentially being a 'different' person. Powerful experience imo that lasts even when the high is gone. Though I certainly don't side with the dreadlocked hippy who insists this is a permanent aspect of drug use... I just advocate 'at least one try'.

[RubberDuck]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Fair enough. It is "an experience". I guess what I mean is that it's not some enlightening or mind-expanding thing, which your typical dreadlocked pothead has tried to tell me a million times.

It's just a different way to get wasted. No more, no less.

Wrong. I don't like being wasted so that is why I choose to smoke and not drink. When I smoke I am totally in control, when I drink, not so much.

[red '00]

Obviously you can't expect every dude to go home and beat his wife when he's drunk, and obviously everyone handles their alcohol differently. I'm not gonna sit here and say getting wasted will turn everyone here into criminals or complete idiots, I'm just saying it happens, and that it's more likely to happen under the influence of booze as opposed to a few J's.

And as for "big alcohol busts", you don't hear about it because it's not illegal. of course you don't hear about it. Weed is illegal (whether it should or shouldn't be is another debate), and therefore the cops are gonna go looking for it.... but just because they're out looking for it doesn't mean it's bad. If they outlawed the booze the same damn thing would essentially happen.

As for the getting the weed question that I missed above - I've NEVER got weed from some bum downtown or risked my life getting it in any way. It's always been from buddies, or close friends of buddies, or even my own family. ain't worth risking your nuts for it. it isn't like blow where you might get hooked and actually 'need' the stuff.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I'd consider doing something like weed or mushrooms for the first time to be an 'enlightening or mind-expanding thing', though this might just be a difference in definition. Using mushrooms, for example, puts you in a state of mind you've never been in your entire life. It changes your perception and gives you the (artificial) feeling of essentially being a 'different' person. Powerful experience imo that lasts even when the high is gone. Though I certainly don't side with the dreadlocked hippy who insists this is a permanent aspect of drug use... I just advocate 'at least one try'.

Heh, I think we might be splitting hairs here. I guess it (weed, mushrooms) can be mind-expanding in the sense of "wow, I never felt like that before", but I don't think it makes anyone smarter or enlightened after the fact. It certainly didn't do anything like that for me. Didn't make me dumber (impossible) either, but it's just I don't know, I was high for a while and then I wasn't. Nothin' changed. There was no "spiritual" hocus pocus involved either, which I've also heard. Colors looked cool, some things were in slow-motion, stuff like that, but that's not really anything "mind expanding".

I've got nothing against pot or potheads in general, I've just run into too many stoners who justify their stonerness with hippy-dippy blather about the beneficial qualities of smoking weed, when really the only benefit they get out of it is an altered state, no more beneficial than getting liquored.

[Sparks]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

There was no "spiritual" hocus pocus involved either, which I've also heard. Colors looked cool, some things were in slow-motion, stuff like that, but that's not really anything "mind expanding".

If we're talking about mushrooms, remember that there are all kinds of variables: how much you take, the particular mushrooms you do, where you do it, who you do it with, etc. With weed, the experience is entirely the same every time. Mushrooms are a completely different story. I can't emphasize that enough.

I'm strongly with Agamemnon on this, and I should mention that I very rarely do drugs.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Sparks

If we're talking about mushrooms, remember that there are all kinds of variables: how much you take, the particular mushrooms you do, where you do it, who you do it with, etc. With weed, the experience is entirely the same every time. Mushrooms are a completely different story. I can't emphasize that enough.

I'm strongly with Agamemnon on this, and I should mention that I very rarely do drugs.

I'm not against Agamemnon on this.

I'm not exactly Tommy Chong or Timothy Leary, but I've given it a shot. It was nothing more than getting messed up. Usually fun, an "experience" or whatever, but there isn't/wasn't a higher meaning to it all.

Like Homer in the desert with his red pepper and talking coyote, or Jim Morrison and his Indian guy in the movie... if that kind of stuff "happens" it is just a product of being wasted. It isn't being closer to god or expanded consciousness or any of that business.

It's like a drunk thinking he's 10 feet tall and a hell of a singer, so he sings Baba O'Riley on karaoke and gets in a fight. The drug made him do it and that's it.

[North East Goon]

Has anyone ever tried the herbal weed that is being sold now. Apparently it's legal to buy, it's called Hawaiin gold or something like that?

[Hemmer]

A friend with weed is a friend indeed

I'm a regular user. Some Oiler games, I would smoke one jizza before the game starts and one more during second intermission. During the Cup finals, me n my buddy blazed one on the bridge at Rexall during the intermissions. Cop was right there and didn't do anything.

When I first started, it did make me paranoid. Now I can do anything on weed. And yes I actually drive better and pay more attention when I'm high. Sunday morning wake and bake is a tradition for me

[habernac]

LOL! Mary Jane.....er..... Mary Anne from Gilligan's Island busted for weed:

http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2008/...970996-ap.html