Who did you vote for? - Official Election Results Thread

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by redforever

so if everyone is ok with this, how come he lost?

I didn't say everyone was ok with it. I said I was ok with it.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

the Liberal party may be a national party, but it has a centrist viewpoint of Canada, and any leaders have to represent that centrist viewpoint.

The only way an Albertan ever gets into leadership is if he's willing to sell out Alberta.

I disagree, but I admit that it's something that has never been demonstrated in practice. I believe that it is possible in the theoretical sense for the Liberals to shift some of their vision westward - indeed I think it is likely that this will happen as the population growth of the West continues and the economic muscle continues to strengthen. Eventually, if they want to get back into power, the Liberals are going to have to expand their base and Alberta and BC (BC more so than Alberta based on existing ideology) are the two places where there is the potential for them to grow- simply because they are so small here.

[flamey_mcflame]

BTW, Trudeau rocked. He had charisma and style. People don't like him out here because they think that NEP was the sole reason for the collapse of the Alberta economy when it maybe represented 5% of the reason. Of course, in Alberta, the price of the barrel of oil collapses around the world and interest rates skyrocketing had nothing at all to do with the economic collapse. That doesn't count because you can't hold the Liberals responsible for it.

Hey, even today, the Conservatives have become the Liberals federally and provincially when it comes to taxing and spending but people actually think they are different parties with with different platforms and policies. I don't see no difference between either of the two.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

PM's influence on the overall economy is quite small. They generally don't deserve the blame or the credit. Cretien didn't create an increase in the value of oil.

The Liberal cuts of 1995 and the overall impact on the deficit were definitely the result of Preston Manning and the Reform Party, not the ideological impetus of the Liberal Party.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

BTW, Trudeau rocked. He had charisma and style. People don't like him out here because they think that NEP was the sole reason for the collapse of the Alberta economy when it maybe represented 5% of the reason. Of course, in Alberta, the price of the barrel of oil collapses around the world and interest rates skyrocketing had nothing at all to do with the economic collapse. That doesn't count because you can't hold the Liberals responsible for it.

Hey, even today, the Conservatives have become the Liberals federally and provincially when it comes to taxing and spending but people actually think they are different parties with with different platforms and policies. I don't see no difference between either of the two.

what's the GST rate again?

what direction are personal and corporate taxes moving?

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

You are right, but Cretien didn't create it.

But he didn't bollocks it up, either.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by peter12

The Liberal cuts of 1995 and the overall impact on the deficit were definitely the result of Preston Manning and the Reform Party, not the ideological impetus of the Liberal Party.

short term contributions to the national debt do not have an impact to the overall economy.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by driveway

But he didn't bollocks it up, either.

No he didn't. I'm just saying people put way to much blame or praise on the PM as it relates to the overall economy.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

short term contributions to the national debt do not have an impact to the overall economy.

In the long run it does. If you can cut down on deficit and debt payments, you can cut back taxes.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by peter12

In the long run it does. If you can cut down on deficit and debt payments, you can cut back taxes.

I know Peter, but the long run is longer than a term in office.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Photon can you tell from looking at Johnny99's IP address what part of the country he is from?

I can, but that's not something we typically reveal without a good reason. He's not misrepresenting himself if that's what you're getting at. EDIT: Oops, didn't see that KG already replied.

[flamey_mcflame]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

unfortunately that party would get hammered in rural alberta.

Rural Alberta will become even more irrelevant after the new breakdown in seats prior to the next election. The rurals have way too much power for their population base. I swear, if you're born in Stettler, Brooks or any other rural trown, you have to vote PC or people will burn down your house. Sorry rural Alberta, you will have a lot less say come next election.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I know Peter, but the long run is longer than a term in office.

Is it? You can see benefits from tax cuts within a year. Long-term financial projections?

[flamey_mcflame]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

what's the GST rate again?

what direction are personal and corporate taxes moving?

The GST the Tories introduced.

Corporate taxes may come down, which is always good. But spending sure hasn't decreased. That spending money has to come from somewhere. And it won't be coming from wasting billions on useless war so we can show the world that we can play too.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

BTW, Trudeau rocked. He had charisma and style. People don't like him out here because they think that NEP was the sole reason for the collapse of the Alberta economy when it maybe represented 5% of the reason. Of course, in Alberta, the price of the barrel of oil collapses around the world and interest rates skyrocketing had nothing at all to do with the economic collapse. That doesn't count because you can't hold the Liberals responsible for it.

Hey, even today, the Conservatives have become the Liberals federally and provincially when it comes to taxing and spending but people actually think they are different parties with with different platforms and policies. I don't see no difference between either of the two.

5% my ass.. More like 85%.. Oil prices didnt drop till 86, NEP came about in 80.. Alberta tanked in 81.. He was the man at the switch and is rightfully to blame..

[kevman]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

The GST the Tories introduced.

The GST the Tories introduced because they had to in order to pay down the debt from the excessive spending of the Trudeau Liberals.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by kevman

The GST the Tories introduced because they had to in order to pay down the debt from the excessive spending of the Trudeau Liberals.

And their own excess.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Rural Alberta will become even more irrelevant after the new breakdown in seats prior to the next election. The rurals have way too much power for their population base. I swear, if you're born in Stettler, Brooks or any other rural trown, you have to vote PC or people will burn down your house. Sorry rural Alberta, you will have a lot less say come next election.

Rural Alberta makes up 50% of the legislature. It will lose power in the next redistribution, but it is highly disingenuous to call it "irrelevant" now, or in the next election.

[flamey_mcflame]

Originally Posted by kevman

The GST the Tories introduced because they had to in order to pay down the debt from the excessive spending of the Trudeau Liberals.

But the Tories did introduce the tax. That is not classical conservative policy. They should have decreased spending to get the debt in check. Isn't that how conservative theory work. Hey, I'm all about less taxing and less spending, especially on programs that eat up all our tax dollars. But I dont get how Tory defenders can ever justify a tax hike by a so called Conservative government. Conservatives and Liberals are all about making everyone happy these days by having programs that fit everyone needs. I did't like Trudeau because he put this country. Heck, I was a baby. But watching him in action trough old footage, that guy had charisma. You can not deny that.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

5% my ass.. More like 85%.. Oil prices didnt drop till 86, NEP came about in 80.. Alberta tanked in 81.. He was the man at the switch and is rightfully to blame..

Yep, I have heard the results of the NEP was a plunge versus a slow regression. To say the Trudeau liberals had only 5% to do with Alberta's regression shows a huge amount of ignorance.