Atheist sees image of Big Bang in piece of toast

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

Really, calgaryborn? I mean, I believe Cheese and some of the others go out of their way to antagonize 'believers' now and then ... but what he posted, in and of itself, is funny and lighthearted! It's not making fun of the act of belief ... it's making fun of people finding a picture of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich and making it a shrine or something! Come on, we have to be able to laugh at ourselves now and then!

If Cheese wasn't known to go out of his way to attack anything Christian than maybe, but this is not the case. He has a serious issue with Christianity. It is the equivalent to a member of the KKK telling a black joke. The joke may be funny but, knowing the tellers heart on the subject makes the joke far from innocent fun.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Your so called evidence for the big bang is no more compelling than my evidence for a Creator. Moreover, it doesn't address where this energy/matter came from. That's a bigger miracle than a outline of a face appearing on a cheese grilled sandwich.

Theres actually evidence of the big bang.. Do you just turn off the television everytime some nasa scientist talks about it, and write it off as heresy?? Energy comes from the sun, its called fusion and its pretty common knowledge, it requires the fusing of hydrogen atoms to make helium.. I dont see how just figuring God did it answers everything.. I dont just make fun of Christians, I make fun of every theism.. After all one fairytale is as rediculous as the next.. Seems odd that every religion from the past whether it be roman mythology or the ancient egyptians is so easy to dispell as false now.. In a 1000 years I'm sure all the current religions will seems as unbelievable as the ones from our past.. You disbelieve in all those faiths, I just disbelieve in one more than you, are we all that different?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

If Cheese wasn't known to go out of his way to attack anything Christian than maybe, but this is not the case. He has a serious issue with Christianity. It is the equivalent to a member of the KKK telling a black joke. The joke may be funny but, knowing the tellers heart on the subject makes the joke far from innocent fun.

That's a bit of a stretch.

Cheese pokes at christianity and some of the less sane things that come up. KKK member wants all black people dead or enslaved.

You know, you had my support about Cheese being a bit over exhuberant towards Christianity up until that. I seriously think it would be in your best interest just to ignore his posts on the matter.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Your so called evidence for the big bang is no more compelling than my evidence for a Creator. Moreover, it doesn't address where this energy/matter came from. That's a bigger miracle than a outline of a face appearing on a cheese grilled sandwich.

There's tons of evidence for the big bang, the fingers-in-the-ears-la-la-la argument doesn't work.

And of course the big bang theory doesn't address where the matter and energy came from, because it doesn't try.

Do you have any idea how silly you look when arguing this way? Why do you think it makes any sense at all wen you complain a theory doesn't answer a question that it never attempts to answer?

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

If Cheese wasn't known to go out of his way to attack anything Christian than maybe, but this is not the case. He has a serious issue with Christianity. It is the equivalent to a member of the KKK telling a black joke. The joke may be funny but, knowing the tellers heart on the subject makes the joke far from innocent fun.

Actually its Fundies I have a hard time with, and those who brainwash children into their cults...but then Ive told you that how many times now? 4000? Now if you are comparing Fundies with the KKK....King Kristian Konquerors!
Seriously CalgaryBornAgain...you are about the only one I personally hold a distaste for when it comes to beliefs. You are a Fundamentalist through and through and even those who share "some"of your ideas cringe whenever you post. Textcritic who has vast knowledge on religion of all types, and especially your type, disagrees with you. That doesnt leave much room to manouvre does it?

[Slava]

^ Well Fotze he did say "hard" time!

[MacDougalbry]

nmsg

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by photon

There's tons of evidence for the big bang, the fingers-in-the-ears-la-la-la argument doesn't work.

And of course the big bang theory doesn't address where the matter and energy came from, because it doesn't try.

Do you have any idea how silly you look when arguing this way? Why do you think it makes any sense at all wen you complain a theory doesn't answer a question that it never attempts to answer?

Ahh... what passes for Science now days! Once upon a time something had to be observable to be considered fact. Today you can come up with a theory and if you can observe a few circumstances that could add weight to the hypothesis then your theory is anointed as truth. The observable fact that the universe appears to be moving away from a common origin could be seen as circumstantial evidence for the existence of a Creator but, instead scientist use it as proof for the big bang. If it isn't evidence for one it shouldn't be used as evidence for the other.

The "big bang theory" to quote you is just that: a theory. The reason why it doesn't try to answer where the material came from necessary for the hypothesis is it doesn't have an answer. Imagine that! It's like someone come up with a theory how a chocolate cake was formed without any help from a creator and without any idea where the ingredients came from.

[GreenLantern]

Honestly, I see bodies and faces twisted in pain, that looks like hell to me.

Seriously... and I am not religious at all. Am I messed up?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I seriously think it would be in your best interest just to ignore his posts on the matter.

So if I started a post making fun of homosexuals knowing my view of their practice you would recomend that those offended should just ignore me. Come on! Me thinks there is a double standard here!

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Seriously CalgaryBornAgain...you are about the only one I personally hold a distaste for when it comes to beliefs. You are a Fundamentalist through and through and even those who share "some"of your ideas cringe whenever you post. Textcritic who has vast knowledge on religion of all types, and especially your type, disagrees with you. That doesnt leave much room to manouvre does it?

You hold a distaste for anyone who holds Christian beliefs. You only get along with those whose christian convictions are so weak they allow you to walk all over them. Of course you like Textcritic. He doubts the Bible and many orthodox doctrines. His faith is closer to yours than mine.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

So if I started a post making fun of homosexuals knowing my view of their practice you would recomend that those offended should just ignore me. Come on! Me thinks there is a double standard here!

Outright bashing gays; yes.
Mocking Queer eye for the straight guy; no.

He is mocking the extremists, not the average joes. Ignore the posts and move on.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Ahh... what passes for Science now days!

You think you know, but really you wouldn't know science if it fell on you; your posts demonstrate that clearly. Your example of the supposed evidence is even incorrect. How can I be expected to buy your take on things when you don't even understand what you're arguing against?

The "big bang theory" to quote you is just that: a theory.

So what's a theory? In your own words? Why point out that it's a theory.

The reason why it doesn't try to answer where the material came from necessary for the hypothesis is it doesn't have an answer yet.

Whee, it's fun to make stuff up! Next you're going to complain because gravity doesn't explain where life came from then it's not science either.

Your problem then seems to be with science itself. The answers science tries to find are by definition natural, not supernatural. So of course it's not going to invoke "Goddidit" when it comes to an unknown, otherwise research would stop advancing. "Goddidit" can't be proven or disproven, it doesn't make predictions, it can't be tested.

So ivoking God is a matter of faith. If someone wants to believe that God triggered the big bang that's fine, but there's zero evidence that He did.

Even if the Big Bang had zero evidence then that's still not evidence that God did it, do you agree with that? It's not a one or the other proposition.

Imagine that! It's like someone come up with a theory how a chocolate cake was formed without any help from a creator and without any idea where the ingredients came from.

See you even move the goalposts in your own analogy. The theory you propose is about how the cake was formed, and then you throw in "where the ingredients came from" at the end.

This is why some people get mocked on this forum and in other venues; not because of their religious beliefs, but because of their inability to argue their theories, present any evidence, or make any coherent points.

Not all religious people have an antiquated broken worldview.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

So if I started a post making fun of homosexuals knowing my view of their practice you would recomend that those offended should just ignore me. Come on! Me thinks there is a double standard here!

Don't be dense. Sure there's a double standard.. making fun of something someone's personally chosen way of thinking clearly has a different standard than making fun of something someone didn't choose.

[4X4]

Somebody red square the author of post #54. That was a smackdown of epic proportions.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Somebody red square the author of post #54. That was a smackdown of epic proportions.

Photon is a mod, he can red square himself.

Someone Blue Square whoever turned this thread from a funny tongue in cheek comment into a theological: science vs. creation debate for the ages.

Whoever it was: way to suck the fun out of the whole thing, I think they're looking for you in the "Danish Cartoons" thread.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

If Cheese wasn't known to go out of his way to attack anything Christian than maybe, but this is not the case. He has a serious issue with Christianity. It is the equivalent to a member of the KKK telling a black joke. The joke may be funny but, knowing the tellers heart on the subject makes the joke far from innocent fun.

hmm, I just finished reading the entire thread, and it's funny, the very first thing I thought when I saw the toast was "this is just like a kkk guy telling a black joke" and here you are reading my mind. Amazing.

[Calgaryborn]

photon your above posts lacks information. You accuse me of being ignorant of the big bang theory and misrepresenting it and thats that. You make no attempt to impart knowledge yourself.

Here is a link to an article on the big bang theory. The fellow is a scientist but, he is also a creationist so I guess that gives you permission to disregard him.

http://www.icr.org/article/343/

[burn_this_city]

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

How about an article from actual scientists..

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

hmm, I just finished reading the entire thread, and it's funny, the very first thing I thought when I saw the toast was "this is just like a kkk guy telling a black joke" and here you are reading my mind. Amazing.

What a terrible comparison.. Black people don't choose to be black, they are born that way.. You folks choose to believe in God, religion, and everything related.. Why is it that religion can't be questioned, poked fun at or examined in detail? After all isnt it just a theory?? Is there actual compelling evidence that God exists?