18 shot at Illinois University - CNN - At least 2 Dead

[TheDragon]

Apparently there were 30 shots, and from what I'm getting off of a local news broadcast from Detroit, they say now that the only fatality is the Gunman.

All things considered, it's a miracle more weren't killed.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't know about the testicle shooting, but it would be nice if they were able to nab one of these nuts (no pun intended).

It'd be interesting, after all the bullets have stopped flying and the person is coaxed back into reality, to hear what the guy has to say for himself.

This is pretty simplistic, but it seems to me these guys have some sort of idea in their head that they'll kill all these people and their own self and then they'll be up there somewhere cackling away at all the misery they caused to their tormentors, and how they'll go down in history.

Someone has to convince these kids that they are going to be in a hole in the ground, and everyone will forget about them. That's it. Atheism for everyone! It's for the children.

Unfortunately they are always remembered mostly by the media.
When something like this happens, CNN will go back and review all the incidents in the past. And there are always anniversaries and memorials.

Sounds bad but a person who does this DOES leave some twisted sort of legacy behind and become famous.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

Apparently there were 30 shots, and from what I'm getting off of a local news broadcast from Detroit, they say now that the only fatality is the Gunman.

All things considered, it's a miracle more weren't killed.

It's always a miracle. I remember Dawson College where the guy walked into a packed hallway, shot round after round and only one girl died.

I watched a documentary where it said these guys are 'amateurs' and in that moment they are so high that they can't shoot straight. The rush is much more than they imagined it would be even in their wildest dreams.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It's always a miracle. I remember Dawson College where the guy walked into a packed hallway, shot round after round and only one girl died.

I watched a documentary where it said these guys are 'amateurs' and in that moment they are so high that they can't shoot straight. The rush is much more than they imagined it would be even in their wildest dreams.

Well it varies from case to case. Klebold and Harris knew what they were doing and unfortunately planned it well by killing 12 people. And then that ######bag Cho took out 32 people. I'm not sure if the incident today was planned or just happened but it seems that planned events result in more casualties rather then random shootings.

Regardless, I really wish these shootings would stop and the killers would just shoot themselves. I hate having to see innocent people be injured or get killed for no reason.

[Drunk Skunk]

NIU is little more than an hour and a half from here, and I know several people that are currently enrolled as well as a couple who have graduated from there. The people I know that go there are safe, thank all that's holy.

It's numbing when it happens someplace so close. I was just up there not too long ago.

:EDIT:

It hit even closer to home when I looked on the left and saw a link to my local news. WQAD: See local coverage of shooting

[TheDragon]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Well it varies from case to case. Klebold and Harris knew what they were doing and unfortunately planned it well by killing 12 people. And then that ######bag Cho took out 32 people. I'm not sure if the incident today was planned or just happened but it seems that planned events result in more casualties rather then random shootings.

Regardless, I really wish these shootings would stop and the killers would just shoot themselves. I hate having to see innocent people be injured or get killed for no reason.

Alas, that's entirely what the Gunmen want to happen. They're usually carrying such a strong hatred for their environment, or their circumstances with life and against society, that they want to "go out with a bang," so to speak. They want to be remembered as villians, monsters and the scum of the earth because that is precisely how they feel about themselves most of the time. They don't, themselves, feel they have any future, and therefore don't have any hope or desire to keep on living, because to them there simply is no point to life.

Unfortunately, there is entirely new class of students who are reminded of who Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were when they step through the threshold of Columbine's doors for the first time, and I am sure there are a few students who have a flash back to the Cho shooting when they walk through the halls and past the areas of the school where people were shot in Virginia Tech.

That's all the Gunmen want. To be feared and rememebered as such.

[TheDragon]

Evidently there are now 6 confirmed deaths from today's shooting, including the gunman:

http://www.daily-chronicle.com/artic...ews/news02.txt

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

Evidently there are now 6 confirmed deaths from today's shooting, including the gunman:

http://www.daily-chronicle.com/artic...ews/news02.txt

The shooter's name as well as the 5 victims who died have been released:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...rsity_shooting

The shooter was a 27 year old former Student of the University who hadn't taken his medication for a few weeks.

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Well it varies from case to case. Klebold and Harris knew what they were doing and unfortunately planned it well by killing 12 people. And then that ######bag Cho took out 32 people. I'm not sure if the incident today was planned or just happened but it seems that planned events result in more casualties rather then random shootings.

Regardless, I really wish these shootings would stop and the killers would just shoot themselves. I hate having to see innocent people be injured or get killed for no reason.

Unfortunatley, when you hear those names you link them to these awful incidents becuase of the media. I think the reason that these terrible events continue is that the media glorifies the killers (and takes away from the victims) by releasing their names and pictures. I think if they left it as an unidentified person(s) that less sick minded folks with nothing to lose would become copycats.

Basically, you take some loner who is upset at the world because no one will listen to them and grant them their wish by having them finish their life as someone of importance. It's disgusting.

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

The shooter's name as well as the 5 victims who died have been released:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...rsity_shooting

The shooter was a 27 year old former Student of the University who hadn't taken his medication for a few weeks.

Again, how does the public get any use by seeing a picture and know the name of the suspect? How the US media handles these situations really bugs me.

[Burninator]

I disagree pepper. The killers aren't remembered. The incident is remembered, but the person that did it is not. Heck, until someone wrote the names of the two killers from Columbine in this tread I wouldn't have had a clue to what they were. I can't even recall the name of the murderer from the VT shooting either. If these sick people want to be remembered, shooting up a school and killing yourself is not the way to do it. Initially the media trots the name and pictures all over the news, but those fall away quickly and the focus changes to the event and the victims.

It may have something to do with these people killing themselves after. Thus they avoid a manhunt, arrest, the lengthy trial, imprisonment and possibly execution. That's where all the focus comes from, because all that takes years. That is exactly what happens with serial murderers and why we know all their names and not the names of people who do things like this school shooting.

[TheDragon]

Originally Posted by fotze

Any word on any possible upcoming candelight vigils?

I would hazard to guess sometime next week or the week thereafter, just judging as per-norm from previous shootings. I'm sure there are already some students organizing it.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I disagree pepper. The killers aren't remembered. The incident is remembered, but the person that did it is not. Heck, until someone wrote the names of the two killers from Columbine in this tread I wouldn't have had a clue to what they were. I can't even recall the name of the murderer from the VT shooting either. If these sick people want to be remembered, shooting up a school and killing yourself is not the way to do it. Initially the media trots the name and pictures all over the news, but those fall away quickly and the focus changes to the event and the victims.

It may have something to do with these people killing themselves after. Thus they avoid a manhunt, arrest, the lengthy trial, imprisonment and possibly execution. That's where all the focus comes from, because all that takes years. That is exactly what happens with serial murderers and why we know all their names and not the names of people who do things like this school shooting.

I disagree with the first part. As much as I agree with that we should ONLY remember the victims of these unfortunate incidents, unfortunately the killers are remembered as well. The media puts so much focus on how the events occurred and who was responsible that it seems to be the main story when situations like this occur. In Columbine and Virginia Tech we saw so many videos and documentaries through the media about Klebold/Harris and Cho and not as many about the victims which is unfortuante. I think atleast 8/10 College students in the US could name the killer (Cho-Seung Hui) from the VT massacre. It's unfortunate that the media places so much attention towards the killers and not the victims but as bad as it sounds, it's what generates the most attention from the public. When events like this occur everyone feels a lot of sorrow for the victims and wishes it never happened, but at the same time people want to know why the killer did it. Personally I feel more should be spent on the victims in these situations as they lost their lives.

[Azure]

Did they say how the gunman died?

[TheDragon]

Self inflicted gunshot wound to the head, I believe.

[KevanGuy]

I believe he killed himself in front the class he shot up.

edit: Yeah what he said.

[Russic]

Can't honestly say I can name one victim of a school shooting ever. I remember a fair number of the shooters though.

Terrible news, what an awful experience.