Obama will be assassinated if he wins...

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Its all not going to matter. There is going to be a Republican in office next year.

I'll take that bet. Democrats have raised more money, had much higher turnout at their primaries and have candidates that energize their base. The GOP has a charisma vortex for candidates, a frontrunner that the base despises, and is saddled with the millstone of the disastrous Bush presidency, a bad economy and a failure to gain traction in fundraising.

It's early--and things change in politics quickly, so it's far too early to prognosticate very confidently about how things will look in November. But remember that how the GOP does in Texas matters a lot less than how they do in Pennsylvania and Ohio. Right now, it looks pretty bleak for the Republicans. I'm pretty sure the Democrats could run one of my old gym socks and still win by a fair margin.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Its all not going to matter. There is going to be a Republican in office next year.

Im a white male that lives in Iowa and I can care less if that man is Black Brown Pink or Orange. He is the better of the two democrats than all be it make him the Dem runner for the white house. I will vote for him if he wins the Democrat but I will not vote for Hillary. I just have a hard time trusting that person. Now Im a registered republican and i will not vote for McCain and I caucused for Mitt Romney since he is out and the other choice is Huckabee so Im really kinda torn right now. I honestly dont think a democrat will get voted into the white house since they have taken over Congress and havent done anything that they "promised" that they would do.

I completely disagree. The republicans should just hand over the keys to the white house now because there is no way the Democrats lose. Americans (yes me too) need to feel like they have done their part to banish Bush and his cronies from being able to embarass and humiliate them anymore. The Republicans don't stand a chance.

Perhaps after Obama/Clinton have had 4 (and maybe 8) years of running the country, the conservatives will rise again.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I'm pretty sure the Democrats could run one of my old gym socks and still win by a fair margin.

I agree in principle, but with the way the race for the Dem nomination is shaping up, it could get really interesting - particularly if Obama wins the 'popular' vote but superdelegates hand the nomination to Clinton. I could see Obama supporters deserting the Dems in droves out of anger. And with a 'moderate' McCain as the Repub nomination, they might vote for him.

On the other hand, if Obama does take the nomination, I could see huge numbers of people turning out to support him and voting a straight 'D' ticket, handing the Dem's control of the house, senate, majority of Governorships, state houses, county sheriffs, dog catchers, etc. etc.

[Drunk Skunk]

I've heard several people suggest that. Someone I know is actually concerned that it would set off riots, similar to the OJ Simpson verdict.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

If Obama wins the Democratic nomination there are plenty of Republicans that will hold their nose and vote for him over McCain. The Republicans really do not like McCain in any shape or form. How he's winning the nomination is a mystery. Having said that, if its Clinton versus McCain, Republicans will fall back on party lines and vote for McCain. There is only one politician they hate more than McCain, and that's Hillary. Ironically, Hillary has the possibility to split the Democratic vote like McCain would for the Republicans. As an independent, I will vote for Obama first, and likely McCain second. It would require reaching way down, but I would cast my vote for McCain just to keep Clinton out of the White House. I see here and Bill creating gridlock in Washington and nothing being accomplished during her term in office. Those two are just too divisive.

[flip]

Just like dave chapelle said the best way for a black president to avoid getting assasinated is to have a mexican vice president

[OBCT]

Lanny's characterizations of Republicans are pretty much bang on, IMO.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

If Obama wins the Democratic nomination there are plenty of Republicans that will hold their nose and vote for him over McCain. The Republicans really do not like McCain in any shape or form. How he's winning the nomination is a mystery. Having said that, if its Clinton versus McCain, Republicans will fall back on party lines and vote for McCain. There is only one politician they hate more than McCain, and that's Hillary. Ironically, Hillary has the possibility to split the Democratic vote like McCain would for the Republicans. As an independent, I will vote for Obama first, and likely McCain second. It would require reaching way down, but I would cast my vote for McCain just to keep Clinton out of the White House. I see here and Bill creating gridlock in Washington and nothing being accomplished during her term in office. Those two are just too divisive.

wow I are you sure you didn't steal my post and put your name on it because this is almost word for word what i would have wrote as well. Obama over McCain but McCain(or old dirty gym sock) over Clinton.

[Claeren]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

The security detail would be provided by the Secret Service, and no, its not out of the ordinary. Many high ranking members of congress are afforded security protection and details. Obama is considered high profile so it makes all the sense in the world.

Ah no, you are wrong Lanny.

It IS out of the ordinary. He now has more security assigned then candidates have ever received at this point in the election cycle. Googling it will bring up a few hundred articles.



Claeren.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Wanna compare sources?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Dan02

wow I are you sure you didn't steal my post and put your name on it because this is almost word for word what i would have wrote as well. Obama over McCain but McCain(or old dirty gym sock) over Clinton.

I'm more of a Republican than I am a Democrat (I'm actually more of a Libertarian). The majority of the people I work with are hardcore Republicans too, so its pretty easy to get a read on the feeling of the party.

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by nik-

That's pretty naive, racism is still alive and well in the US.

I'd say its alive and well up here in Canada too.

[Tyler]

It's funny - because Dave Chappelle said this like 5 years ago when it was rumored that Colin Powell would run

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Race wouldn't be the main motive for an assassination...It's his 'us against the rich' policies.

Yeah, maybe they'll just fund and organize some racist wacko[s] or terrorist to do the job and take the heat and then have some terminally ill mobster clean up afterwards.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

I'm more of a Republican than I am a Democrat (I'm actually more of a Libertarian). The majority of the people I work with are hardcore Republicans too, so its pretty easy to get a read on the feeling of the party.

It's never been explained why hardcore Republicans dislike McCain so much. Is it because he's not a real neocon or is it because he voted against the tax cuts for the rich?

[blankall]

Didn't Dave Chappelle write a bit on this?

Anyway, I think the most racism would come not from the US, but from Europe. Guaranteed everytime this guy did a tour of Europe the local nationals would be out in full force. Was it Spain where the fans were throwing bananas on the field?

[Ro]

here you go...

Chris Rock: Thank you, Dennis. Now as you know, there's been a lot of talk about a black vice president. And I just wanna tell the world that it'll never happen. As long as you live you will never see a black vice president, you know why? Because some black guy would just kill the president. I'd do it. If Colin Powell was vice president, I'd kill the president and tell his mother about it. What would happen to me? What would they do? Put me in jail with a bunch of black guys that would treat me like a king for the rest of my life? I would be the biggest star in jail, alright, people would be coming up to me and I'd be signing autographs: "97-KY, here you go." Guys would be going: "You're the brother that shot Bush. And you told his mother about it huh? I hope my children turn out to be just like you, Man, you know I was getting ready to rape you until I realized who you were. And even if they had a death penalty, what would happen? I'd just be pardoned by the black president. So you see, Dennis, it would not be in George Bush's best interests to place Colin Powell on the ticket.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It's never been explained why hardcore Republicans dislike McCain so much. Is it because he's not a real neocon or is it because he voted against the tax cuts for the rich?

1. He voted against the Bush tax cuts.
2. He has co-sponsored a variety of bills with democrats.
3. He favours campaign finance reform
4. He's not super-strong on "moral issues"--gays, abortion, etc.
5. He favours a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants--this is the big one.

This isn't new. The far right of the party has never liked McCain. But it doesn't follow that therefore independents and moderate democrats will choose him over a Democrat in the next election. This is actually the real reason. If the party thought McCain would win in November, they'd be on him like white on rice. The fact is, the luminaries of the GOP are convinced that McCain is going to lose in November--and they're probably right.

Think about it: if we learned anything from Karl Rove it's that elections are won by mobilizing your base in swing states, not by convincing independent voters across the country. McCain's inability to appeal to the party's base is bad news for the GOP, and the fact that they're not bringing people out to the polls for the primaries is worse news.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Ro

here you go...

I was thinking of this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QullehqLQ78

gold

[Ro]

Yeah, I guess Rock's bit is about a black VICE-president. Still funny. That Chappelle bit is hilarious also.