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Glad to see the majority of the previous posters eating their words.. I agree with moon, so many Pats fans have gone beyond cocky in the last couple of years, especially this season.. I was shocked to see all the bandwagon Pats fans at the pub tonight.. I bet we'll hear the knees clicking tomorrow at work as they try and deny their allegiance to the biggest bed wetters in nfl history.. Oh and to add, the 72' Dolphins didnt have a ######bag coach that would go beyond cheating to win, what a classless pos at the end of the game.. Awww hoodie, guess your still not in the same stratosphere as Shula yet.. *sniff*
EDIT: I guess Belichick wasnt all that classless after all.. I missed the handshake until the paper this morning, but saw him storm out with a min or two left..
Yeah where are all the Patriot band wagon fans this morning? I have nothing against the team. In fact I was really surprised by how well most of the Patriot players took the loss. Most of them have rings so losing one isn't the end of the world. Really impressed with Randy Moss during his press conference. Seau didn't look like he was taking it to well. Obviously his last chance, unless he comes back with the Patriots next year.
All in all a great game. Patriots got to be the early favorites for Super Bowl XL III.
The cheating allegations could really hurt how the Patriots are remembered in NFL history. I don't know if they cheated or not. But I will always be suspicious because of the way the NFL swept it under the rug. Destroying the video evidence from the Jets game sounds like something out of the Kennedy assassination.
Were you even alive in 1972? Let me guess - you got on the Dolphin badwagon when Marino was the glamour boy of the NFL?
Actually, Parcells should put the Dolphins back on the right track.
I hope so.. The last GM they had was an utter moron.. Give Welker away for nothing.. Use the 3rd overall pick to draft a kick returner??? Waive Cullpepper in favor of washed up Trent Green?? How he ever got the job is beyond me..
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I hope so.. The last GM they had was an utter moron.. Give Welker away for nothing.. Use the 3rd overall pick to draft a kick returner??? Waive Cullpepper in favor of washed up Trent Green?? How he ever got the job is beyond me..
Not to mention passing on Brady Quinn for Ted Ginn Jr. The QB thing was just mind boggling. I'm a huge Trent Green fan, but even I was well aware that his days were through. Why the Dolphins even considered a washed up broken down QB one hit away from retirement over anybody else is just stunning.
Goodell's remarks were puzzling in several respects. First, if the Patriots were guilty only of occasional sideline taping, this would seem to merit a letter of reprimand. So why were the Patriots hit with the harshest fine in NFL history? When the scandal first broke, Goodell used extremely strong language about New England's sins. Now, he was implying the whole thing was no big deal.
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Also Saturday, Mike Fish reported on ESPN that St. Louis' walk-through was devoted to red zone plays -- all new plays and new formations the Rams had not shown during the season. Going into that Super Bowl, the Rams' "Greatest Show on Turf" was the league's highest-scoring team. In that game, St. Louis was held to a field goal in the first half. The Rams kept getting bogged down, as if New England knew what plays were coming. If the Patriots secretly taped the Rams' walk-through, then stopped the red zone plays the Rams showed in that walk-through, then won that Super Bowl by three points, then logic says New England materially benefited from cheating in the Super Bowl. If true, this would be the worst sports scandal since the Black Sox.
I have a feeling this is just the tip of the iceburg. If true, I really feel sorry for Patriot fans.
A spokesperson for Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania said Tuesday that Specter's staff is working to finalize a meeting early next week with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to discuss the Spygate controversy.
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Why? We feel sorry for the rest of you.
Why? If it is true it would shake the Patriots and the NFL to the core. I could see Belichek being banned from the NFL, which means no Hall of Fame. It would seriously hurt the chances of the great Patriots players of getting into the Hall of Fame. The legitimacy of the Patriots three Lombardi Trophies would be in doubt.
From a league standpoint, I think Goddell would be forced to resign. Like the ESPN article stated. If true, this would be the biggest sports scandal since the 1919 Black Sox. The main players in that scandal never lived it down.
I have a feeling this is just the tip of the iceburg. If true, I really feel sorry for Patriot fans.
Easterbrook has had a thing for Belichick all season. The disgust is palpable.
"Rules" were broken this year. The Pats were punished this year. After Goddell handed down record fines, karma was waiting in line to kick the team in the junk too. Let's all have fun patting Eli on the back, mussing up his hair and making him feel awesome. New season starts in a few months.
Why? If it is true it would shake the Patriots and the NFL to the core. I could see Belichek being banned from the NFL, which means no Hall of Fame. It would seriously hurt the chances of the great Patriots players of getting into the Hall of Fame. The legitimacy of the Patriots three Lombardi Trophies would be in doubt.
From a league standpoint, I think Goddell would be forced to resign. Like the ESPN article stated. If true, this would be the biggest sports scandal since the 1919 Black Sox. The main players in that scandal never lived it down.
Oh please. Stealing signals is no big scandal. None of the pundits on Sunday (former players, coaches etc) could care less about this.
There is only one story about this on the SI NFL page today, (Vermeil saying this is no big deal):
Dick Vermeil, who coached the St. Louis Rams to their first Super Bowl championship in 2000, doubts dirty tricks prevented the franchise from winning it all again under Mike Martz in 2002.
"Personally, I don't think it had any effect on the game," Vermeil said. "That stuff's been going on forever and I don't think you gain from it".
The NFL steroid problem deserves way more attention.
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Oh please. Stealing signals is no big scandal. None of the pundits on Sunday (former players, coaches etc) could care less about this.
The NFL steroid problem deserves way more attention.
Did you read the ESPN article?
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Taping from the sidelines during games, although forbidden, is regarded as a minor violation of the rules. Secret taping of a Super Bowl opponent's practice, if true, would be much more serious.
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Think Congress has no business investigating sports? Most NFL teams play in publicly subsidized stadiums, and NFL games are aired over public airwaves controlled by federal licenses. The licenses, among other things, prohibit any pre-arrangement or artifice in what is presented as live competition. If a Super Bowl were affected by cheating, that would be a legitimate matter of concern to Congress. Plus, the recent lesson learned via baseball and steroids was that Major League Baseball did not clean up its own house until Congress put some pressure on.
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At the news conference, Goodell disclosed several things the NFL previously had refused to discuss. He said that only six tapes and some notes had been turned over to the league by the Patriots, not voluminous materials, as had been assumed; that the tapes all contained only in-game film of opponents' sidelines; and that the oldest tape was from the 2006 regular season, with nothing before that year. Goodell went on to say several times that attempting to steal sideline signals during games is common in football and, although not encouraged, is viewed as an occupational hazard in the sport. Goodell also asserted the Patriots' questionable activities did not alter the outcome of any game.
Goodell's remarks were puzzling in several respects. First, if the Patriots were guilty only of occasional sideline taping, this would seem to merit a letter of reprimand. So why were the Patriots hit with the harshest fine in NFL history? When the scandal first broke, Goodell used extremely strong language about New England's sins. Now, he was implying the whole thing was no big deal.
Stop calling it an article. It's Gregg Freakin' Easterbrook. He's no more an authority on the morals and rules of the NFL than Bill Simmons is of the NBA. I read both religiously and find both entertaining but it's mere opinion, conjecture and hyperbole. His disdain for the Flyin' Elvii and Belicheat taints any semblance of objectivity with respect to the allegations. He's complained time and again that he's the only one making a fuss about these things. Perhaps there's a reason his is the only gong that's clanging.
Bill: Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with other team's signals - we did.
[winks at Goodell]
Bill: But you can't hold a whole team responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the entire NFL? And if the whole NFL is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our sporting institutions in general? I put it to you, Goodell - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Patriots out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]
Bill: Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with other team's signals - we did.
[winks at Goodell]
Bill: But you can't hold a whole team responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the entire NFL? And if the whole NFL is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our sporting institutions in general? I put it to you, Goodell - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Patriots out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]
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Oh please. Stealing signals is no big scandal. None of the pundits on Sunday (former players, coaches etc) could care less about this.
Some didn't think it was a big deal. Some did. Ron Jaworski said it didn't bother him. Steve Young said he didn't think it was fair. I read what Vemiel said. Martz said he hopes it isn't true.
What is Specter talking about when he talks about the NFL's "antitrust exemption"?
Specter is talking about a law known as the Sports Broadcasting Act that is the legal and economic foundation of the NFL, the most successful enterprise in the history of sports. There is no faster way to capture the attention of NFL owners and commissioner Roger Goodell than to suggest that Congress could revisit the law that allows NFL owners to pool their television rights, sell them as a package, and split the profits equally. Enacted in 1961, the law is the single most important factor in the league's success. Without the law, each franchise would be selling its television rights individually, which would result in the big-market teams making big money and a team like Green Bay going out of business.
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Wednesday at the Pro Bowl that the NFL is willing to give former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh legal indemnification for any information and materials he would provide to the league regarding his work with the Patriots
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Among the things the league wants to talk to Walsh about is a recent Boston Herald report that a member of the Patriots' video staff taped the St. Louis Rams' pregame walk-through before Super Bowl XXXVI. "We were aware of this before," Goodell said. "We pursued it and weren't able to get any information that was credible. We were aware of some of the rumors and we pursued some of them and we continue that. From Day 1, I said if we feel there is new information that's inconsistent with what we've been told [by the Patriots], I reserve the right to reopen it.
