Single Joint=20 Cigarettes And Huge Lung Cancer Risk: Researchers

[Dope-AS-Fack]

I remebr seeing a study along time ago about marijuana being smoked out of different things (bongs, pipe)

I only remebr it saying that a pipe did less harm then a waterbong, which you would never guess

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Harmless would mean that harm doesn't exist.

As in negligible....

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

No, lungs do not "go back". Period. Seed planted. Seed grown. My dead Mother for one will attest to that. Died of lung cancer 30 years after quitting.

From everything I heard and read, the small sacs in your lungs are damage forever, it is the risk of cancer and other ailments that are reduced over time.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

As in negligible....

No, if something is harmless, it does no harm. However something can cause harm that is negligible.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

No, if something is harmless, it does no harm. However something can cause harm that is negligible.

Ya, ok; semantics.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ya, ok; semantics.

More like properly understanding terminology.

Edit: I'd also like to point out that the study states, "This analysis identified that one cannabis joint had similar adverse effects on the lung as between 2.5 and 5 tobacco cigarettes," not 20.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

That is not opinion, that is experience.

No Rouge, my opinion means squat obviously.... since I happened to have survived it and can tell you about it now... means nothing.

I didn't say your opinion or experience means squat, I said your opinion doesn't equal a fact.

I've got experience and some anecdotes that lead me to the conclusion that booze causes more problems than smoking weed does.

Do we cancel each other out?

[chris lindberg]

I guess it depends on how big your joint is to, 3 grams or a quarter of a gram?

[jammies]

You know what we need? An argument pitting the dope-smoking atheists who drive fast in the left lane and always fight their traffic tickets vs. the hard-drinkin' evangelist Christians who block the left lane and always, ALWAYS call the bylaw police when unhitched trailers sit for more than 15 seconds unattended.

Well, by "argument" I actually mean sanctioned UFC bout: 12 in the ring; three 5 minute rounds; and you only come out on a stretcher. Let's get it done!

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by jammies

You know what we need? An argument pitting the dope-smoking atheists who drive fast in the left lane and always fight their traffic tickets vs. the hard-drinkin' evangelist Christians who block the left lane and always, ALWAYS call the bylaw police when unhitched trailers sit for more than 15 seconds unattended.

Well, by "argument" I actually mean sanctioned UFC bout: 12 in the ring; three 5 minute rounds; and you only come out on a stretcher. Let's get it done!

Gold

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I have a tough time understanding why marijuana is not legal. Alcohol is without a doubt the most damaging in our society today.

Why legalise another product that's harmful to your health. It would only make the govt bigger hippocrates than they already are.

Of course it's not a perfect drug either. There are problems. Possible health effects, chance of addiction etc. But I am much more in favour of freedom in this case. People should be able to put whatever they want into their body as long as they don't harm anyone else. People should have that choice.

With health care costs spiraling out of control, legalizing another harmful product would put greater strain on our system. Educating the masses on how to better take care of themselves is a better option IMO.

I'm all for personal choice and all but what responsibilty for ones actions? The attitude seems to be , no problem, the health care system will be there when i need it.

[Circa89]

Originally Posted by jammies

You know what we need? An argument pitting the dope-smoking atheists who drive fast in the left lane and always fight their traffic tickets vs. the hard-drinkin' evangelist Christians who block the left lane and always, ALWAYS call the bylaw police when unhitched trailers sit for more than 15 seconds unattended.

Well, by "argument" I actually mean sanctioned UFC bout: 12 in the ring; three 5 minute rounds; and you only come out on a stretcher. Let's get it done!

Awesome, I was going to post in this thread but I think you summed up the general theme here pretty well.

Pot=good
smokes=good
booze=good
flames=good
Pot= no good
smokes= no good
booze= no good
having fun and to each their own = good

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I Of course it's not a perfect drug either. There are problems. Possible health effects, chance of addiction etc. But I am much more in favour of freedom in this case. People should be able to put whatever they want into their body as long as they don't harm anyone else. People should have that choice.

anytime you do anything illegal you are part of a bigger problem. there are what, 4 dead mounties in alberta that were killed at the hands of someone trying to protect a grow-op destined to those pot smokers who think they arent hurting anyone but themselves.

you make it legal, then the price gets jacked up and taxed to death, you only just create a black market that will still continue the same activities that surround illegal drugs. lesser of two evils?

if this study holds water, they should legalize it and tax the crap out of it, so me and my children dont have to foot the bill for chemo treatments for all the deing slackers..that way as someone who is a non smoker, i wont be affected by it down the road.

the smokers pay pretty much 6 bucks in taxes per pack for there stupidity

[Circa89]

"you make it legal, then the price gets jacked up and taxed to death, you only just create a black market that will still continue the same activities that surround illegal drugs. lesser of two evils?" MelBridgeman

Why would there be a black market if pot is sold at Safeway or 7-11. Is there a huge beer black market that I am not aware of?
An honest question, because if there is let me know where it is.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Circa89

you make it legal, then the price gets jacked up and taxed to death, you only just create a black market that will still continue the same activities that surround illegal drugs. lesser of two evils?

Why would there be a black market if pot is sold at Safeway or 7-11. Is there a huge beer black market that I am not aware of?
An honest question, because if there is let me know where it is.

there isnt really for beer because its still fairly cheap.

huge black market for smokes though

[Circa89]

I don't know about the cheap beer thing. I was at the Flames game tonight and believe me that stuff ain't cheap! yikes.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Circa89

I don't know about the cheap beer thing. I was at the Flames game tonight and believe me that stuff ain't cheap! yikes.

lol, good point
but if you want cheap beer, go to the beer store..you can get drunk for less than 10 bucks

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by fotze

20? meh. They must have never been on our houseboat.

So true.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Doctors at the Medical Research Institute of New Zealand have concluded smoking a single joint is equivalent to inhaling the damaging contents of 20 regular tobacco cigarettes. And they're now worried about what they call a potential "epidemic" of lung cancer patients in current and future generations.

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_19073.aspx

Yup, smoking marijuana is much safer than cigarettes.

I'd have thought that if this is true, we'd already be seeing this 'epidemic'. Anyone remember the '60's? Seems to me that plenty of pot was smoked then and in the '70's, 80's, etc. One would think after 40 years the 'epidemic' would be evident.

As long as society accepts cigarette smoking and alcohol consumption as acceptable behavior, I still believe that a ban on pot is hypocritical.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

As long as society accepts cigarette smoking and alcohol consumption as acceptable behavior, I still believe that a ban on pot is hypocritical.

Society does not accept smoking as an acceptable behaviour anymore. With all the smoking bans the home is about the only place they can smoke now. We don't have to ban cigarettes to reduce the smoking population.

Alcohol used in moderation is not hazard to ones health. No hypocrisy there.