Toronto to get black-focused school

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by redforever

So you are ok with a Catholic school only that is publicly funded all across Canada and is entrenched in the charter?

You or your children may attend those schools at any time if you so wish.

You must be BLACK to enter the black school.

See the difference?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by HOZ

You or your children may attend those schools at any time if you so wish.

You must be BLACK to enter the black school.

See the difference?

They said they wouldn't stop anyone from attending the Africentric school.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They said they wouldn't stop anyone from attending the Africentric school.

I'd be very surprised if any non-black students attend.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by HOZ

One of the most laughable concepts of this school is that all "black" kids/people have everything in common because they are black.

I mean a Jamaican kid and an African kid (the real ones) have nothing in common except their skin colour. Hell Africans only share a continent and "possible" skin colour in common.

Yeah but they all listen to Tupac so they share the same culture.

You are absolutely correct, just goes to show that this IS a form of racial segregation. It doesn't make any sense that this is happening in Canada, in this day and age. Its a horrible idea.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'd be very surprised if any non-black students attend.

What about the white kid who thinks he's black? Come on, we've all seen them.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'd be very surprised if any non-black students attend.

I bet there would be a few. If it's close to someone's home, some parents would do it. Especially if they are out of the school bus range and the parents don't have a vehicle.

[TibHockeyPlayer]

Originally Posted by fotze

Catholic schools aren't privately funded.

They should have asian based schools, it would be easy to do up the schedule.




Monday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math

12:30 - 3:00 - Science

3:00 - 6:00 - Computers

6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Tuesday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math

12:30 - 3:00 - Science

3:00 - 6:00 - Computers

6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Wednesday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math

12:30 - 3:00 - Science

3:00 - 6:00 - Computers

6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Thursday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math

12:30 - 3:00 - Science

3:00 - 6:00 - Computers

6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Friday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math

12:30 - 3:00 - Science

3:00 - 6:00 - Computers

6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

I hate Fotze. This guy always has something biggoted to say about Asians. He did this in another thread as well regarding Asian immigrants. If it was another less reputable poster, everyone would be all over him, but were pretending to ignore him as a method of not feeding the troll. The fact is, he needs to be called out. As far as I'm concerned his red squares mean squat. I've reported him once before, but he'll never get a blue square, because he's in the old boys club. Ridiculous what this guy gets away with, I'm offended.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by TibHockeyPlayer

I hate Fotze. This guy always has something biggoted to say about Asians. He did this in another thread as well regarding Asian immigrants. If it was another less reputable poster, everyone would be all over him, but were pretending to ignore him as a method of not feeding the troll. The fact is, he needs to be called out. As far as I'm concerned his red squares mean squat. I've reported him once before, but he'll never get a blue square, because he's in the old boys club. Ridiculous what this guy gets away with, I'm offended.

Like really offended, or sarcastically offended?

Yes, I really can't tell anymore.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Igottago

What about the white kid who thinks he's black? Come on, we've all seen them.

J-Roc

[jolinar of malkshor]

Question:

What would be the response if, instead of an all Black school, the proposal was an all White school?

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Question:

What would be the response if, instead of an all Black school, the proposal was an all White school?

Well, a clear resurrection of segregation obviously, and widespread moral outrage. Instances of "reverse-racism" such as this are tolerated because they're seen as preserving or enhancing a minority which is under some form of threat from the majority, and therefore needs special attention simply in order to maintain the status quo. The converse is not tolerated as it's seen as preserving or enhancing a majority which is not under any real threat, and is likely only to have the effect of excluding minorities from the established power structure.

As earlier posters have said, this is a terrible idea. I think it's distinguishable from religious schools, because religion is itself a form of content, whereas skin colour is not (unless these schools propose to teach children how to be black - lots of essays on Black Like Me I imagine for the white kids in the remedial class). Every explanation I've heard from those trying to justify it has come across as non-sensical, hypocritical, or simply failing to recognize the potential negative effects of such a move to the same extent as the potential positives. Is there really a need for this?

Really?

Like, Really?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by TibHockeyPlayer

I hate Fotze. This guy always has something biggoted to say about Asians. He did this in another thread as well regarding Asian immigrants. If it was another less reputable poster, everyone would be all over him, but were pretending to ignore him as a method of not feeding the troll. The fact is, he needs to be called out. As far as I'm concerned his red squares mean squat. I've reported him once before, but he'll never get a blue square, because he's in the old boys club. Ridiculous what this guy gets away with, I'm offended.

Serious?

If you are you don't understand fotze.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Well, a clear resurrection of segregation obviously, and widespread moral outrage. Instances of "reverse-racism" such as this are tolerated because they're seen as preserving or enhancing a minority which is under some form of threat from the majority, and therefore needs special attention simply in order to maintain the status quo. The converse is not tolerated as it's seen as preserving or enhancing a majority which is not under any real threat, and is likely only to have the effect of excluding minorities from the established power structure.

As earlier posters have said, this is a terrible idea. I think it's distinguishable from religious schools, because religion is itself a form of content, whereas skin colour is not (unless these schools propose to teach children how to be black - lots of essays on Black Like Me I imagine for the white kids in the remedial class). Every explanation I've heard from those trying to justify it has come across as non-sensical, hypocritical, or simply failing to recognize the potential negative effects of such a move to the same extent as the potential positives. Is there really a need for this?

Really?

Like, Really?

But what if it was an Danish school, or Italian school... focused on educating Canadian children of specific European descent where they came from in great detail and teaching their language and tradition along side our own? Why would that be wrong, and yet a "black" school (which is in itself, racist, since it implies all Caribbean Blacks and African blacks are the same) would be fair? Those ethnic groups are not the majority, and surely, they wouldn't come out and say all whiteys are the same?

(this rhetorical question isn't directed at you exclusively of course)

[redforever]

Originally Posted by HOZ

You or your children may attend those schools at any time if you so wish.

You must be BLACK to enter the black school.

See the difference?

That is not how it was explained today. The lady being interviewed said others could apply for admission, but she doubted many would go that avenue. It is being labelled as an Afro Ethno school.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Azure

No.

But if you send you kids to a Catholic school you pay more taxes, right?

I don't think so, I think you just sign a form stipulating you want your public tax dollars to go to the separate system.

[Winsor_Pilates]

This idea is terrible in so many ways. Many already mentioned.
I don't think this will do anything good for anyone, especially the black kids.

Complete step backwards. Welcome to Alabama, Ontario

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by fotze

Catholic schools aren't privately funded.

They should have asian based schools, it would be easy to do up the schedule.

Monday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math
12:30 - 3:00 - Science
3:00 - 6:00 - Computers
6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Tuesday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math
12:30 - 3:00 - Science
3:00 - 6:00 - Computers
6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Wednesday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math
12:30 - 3:00 - Science
3:00 - 6:00 - Computers
6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Thursday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math
12:30 - 3:00 - Science
3:00 - 6:00 - Computers
6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Friday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math
12:30 - 3:00 - Science
3:00 - 6:00 - Computers
6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

You forgot
Lunch - Play Nintendo DS

[redforever]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azure
No.

But if you send you kids to a Catholic school you pay more taxes, right?


I don't think so, I think you just sign a form stipulating you want your public tax dollars to go to the separate system.

Base funding by Alberta Education for public school students and for Catholic school students is the same, around $5500 per student. Both are entrenched in the charter and as such, the province funds each equally.

[flamey_mcflame]

Great, a lack of afro-centric schools. So this is what's keeping a substantial portion of blacks from excelling in academics and their careers. It couldn't possibly be the fact that there is an inherent problem in the cultures, values, backgrounds and poor choices of Black individuals and families. Let us not kid ourselves. If 40% of black students are dropping out of school in Toronto, there is a much bigger issue at play.

It begins with people who shouldn't be having children having children. If you can't raise a child or incapable of raising a child, you should not be allowed to have a child. But no, any one who has sex organs and can find someone with complimentary sex organs can procreate. Drug addicts and teenagers. People in no financial position to have children. The lazy,stupid,angry,childish and crazy all get to experience the magic that is parenthood. You need a driver's licence to drive a car, but hey if you wanna have two,three or four kids, we can't stop you.

Obviously more black kids would succeed in school if the individual,family and the community stressed its' importance. If 40% of black children are dropping out, then its just not important to them. You do know what's important though, right?? Instant gratification, street cred and living the hip hop lifestyle. These type of numbers, which are so disproportionate when compared to other cultures, indicate a massive collapse of the urban black community. And it's not just dropout rates, it is criminal,incarceration and poverty rates also.

Some people might attribute this to the fact that blacks are raised in poor disadvantaged situations. However, if that was the case, almost all minorities would see similar rates in those negative categories. But you won't see those kinds of numbers in regards to the Chinese, Indian, Filipino, Vietnamese and Pakistani communities. In fact, you'll find the exact opposite in some cultures, In particular, the Chinese and Indian communties
achieve at a much higher level than even whites when it comes to university placement, medicine,engineering and computer science. And for many of these first,second or third generation families, they have had to overcome even higher hurdles than blacks. Many come to Canada with little or no money. The English language must be over come and they have no deep rooted ties to a bigger community. One thing you will see with these communties. Financially responsible people who stress the importance of education and hard work. Cultures who do not tolerate failure.

Hey, I could go on forever. This is not to say that all blacks are doomed to failure. And it does not mean that non-blacks are all gonna achieve. But when you have one community that is overrepresented and which the so called disadvantages are overcome by other minorities, you have a serious problem. Of course its the values, of course it is their fault. If you wanna see why this argument holds, just look at the native population in this country. An even bigger disaster based on all the same reasons. People not fit to be parents having kids and an abysmal record in having success economically,financially and socially. Hope someone bothered to read this. Please no, "no you didan't" comebacks please. Cause yes I did.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Great, a lack of afro-centric schools. So this is what's keeping a substantial portion of blacks from excelling in academics and their careers. It couldn't possibly be the fact that there is an inherent problem in the cultures, values, backgrounds and poor choices of Black individuals and families. Let us not kid ourselves. If 40% of black students are dropping out of school in Toronto, there is a much bigger issue at play.

So, black 'cultures, values, backgrounds' cause 40% dropout rates? What are some aspects of black culture and values that cause this?

It begins with people who shouldn't be having children having children. If you can't raise a child or incapable of raising a child, you should not be allowed to have a child. But no, any one who has sex organs and can find someone with complimentary sex organs can procreate. Drug addicts and teenagers. People in no financial position to have children. The lazy,stupid,angry,childish and crazy all get to experience the magic that is parenthood. You need a driver's licence to drive a car, but hey if you wanna have two,three or four kids, we can't stop you.

Yeah... that's because we don't live in Communist China. We've decided, as a country, that you can have however many kids you want because you're a fee individual. Sure, you can start removing freedoms to exert more control over society, but I'm not sure that's what Canada stands for.

Obviously more black kids would succeed in school if the individual,family and the community stressed its' importance. If 40% of black children are dropping out, then its just not important to them.

Aren't they pushing through a curriculum/school that is more relevant to their experience/lifestyle? Seems like they're trying different solutions...

You do know what's important though, right?? Instant gratification, street cred and living the hip hop lifestyle. These type of numbers, which are so disproportionate when compared to other cultures, indicate a massive collapse of the urban black community. And it's not just dropout rates, it is criminal,incarceration and poverty rates also.

So, is it because they're black that they need 'instant gratification' and they're doing poorly? You don't think history, or systemic social & economic inequality come into play? Are there any white kids out there who are just looking for instat gratification, or who do badly in school? Or is that mostly a black thing?