KKK and Aryan society... I had no idea how truly scary they are

[maverickeastwood]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

I think they're just a tiny fringe group now. It's scary how mainstream the Klan was during it's hey day.

Whats to say they don't recruit quietly and go underground...like a cancer.

[JackJack]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

Radical Islam is closer to the faith as set out by the prophet then moderate Islam is. Whereas Jesus never said, black are inferior and whites should kill them.

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh.

Well I humbly disagree, based on what I have read about Islam.

I sorta see your point though.

Not meaning to derail this threat but for the sake of clarity, if you look at the core fundamentals of Radical Islam and what its based upon, you will clearly see that they have no correlation whatsoever to the faith that the Prophet laid out, and how in fact they contradict what he stood for.

In fact, Azure had a great comparison. I applaud you good sir/maam.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by peter12

Well, I meant aside from their violent temperament...

I'm not so sure that they are so influential. Obviously not in mainstream politics, but let's not forget that these racist groups aren't just a throwback to the 40s and 50s.

William Pierce, a Neo-Nazi and founder of the ultra-racist Heritage Front, wrote a book called the Turner Diaries. The book details a very violent race war in the United States. It was never picked up by a publisher, until recently for educational purposes. However, it is estimated that book may have sold over half a million copies at gun shows and the like.

Timothy McVeigh apparently used the book as his inspiration in the attack on Oklahoma City.

These guys may not be powerful in the political sense, but they do occupy a reasonably large niche in the underbelly of America and Canada to a lesser degree.

I certainly don't disagree, however one of the recruiting issues for the Clan and the Aryan nations is that they tend to look for the poor, poorly educated and disenfranchised. In Armerica a large majority of those type of people are in the minority neighbourhoods. Minority gangs recruit using the old Klan model "We'll give you power, and a chance to right self perceived wrongs, we'll take care of you like your family."

Its pretty rare to see more then a scattering of radical Aryan gangs, the Klan still exists but it is an aging underground movement.

To the person that started this topic, but in order to understand how fringe these groups have become in the U.S. and Canada, you have to compare and contrast to some of the European based white supremist gangs like the Brotherhood of the Celtic cross who's members have served in high positions in the french government, the Belgian political party Vlaams Belang and its youth movement. The Aryan Brotherhood out of Germany and other gangs which have gained main stream appeal because of the perceived immigration issues in Europe. Unlike their American counterparts, these European groups are well financed, well organized and have a steady stream of young angry whites to recruit from, and their education level is higher, and in a lot of ways they are more mainstream and accepted.

But it might be a perspective to look at.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Are these guys really to be taken seriously anymore? I mean, most of these groups seem to be made up of useless uneducated unemployed youngsters who are jaded that opportunities aren't handed to them. I think most of the population sees through this garbage these days, and I think the power of these organizations is dwindling fast. At least I hope so. I just remember seeing something on the news a couple months ago, where some of these guys had a protest in Calgary and normal citizens all stood up to them. It was nice too see.

I was there and I want everyone to realize something. Doing something well means a lot. Even if its something wrong.

Those normal citizens you speak of were youngsters too for the most part, and they spoke out about what they believed was right. But they were not organized enough.

That led to these people who were advocating against blatant racist propaganda being taken away by the police and after a while the racists (Aryan Guard) were left outnumbering the 'normal citizens' to freely preach their particular brand of hate.

The racists were organized and well-educated enough to operate within their rights and the law with discipline, and thus ended up maintaining their area to demonstrate, while the original crowd, advocating tolerance was escorted to the local lockup.

If racism itself doesnt scare you, then the fact that a group of moderately educated, unemployed, 'useless' youths who didnt get what they wanted for christmas ended up stealing an anti-racism protest from educated, employed, 'productive members of society' who initiated a rally against hatred and ended up with a perfect forum for their message of hate.

All the right people were watching and they made all the right moves.

Thats scary.

Especially considering that the evidence points to someone very intelligent who is pulling the strings.

Originally Posted by feartheflames

Shakira, you cant let it bother you. There are extremists and idiots of every race, religional and nationality. These people have no power. Just think of what bitter, horrible lives they must lead, spending all that time hating people. Think of all the wonderful thing they are missing. Feel sorry for them.

What I have bolded is completely incorrect. The rest I agree with whole-heartedly, except for the 'feeling sorry for them' part. I'm not going to advocate standing around pitying them. There's no use.

It should bother you.

They have more power than you'd like to believe. Underestimating that is how they got it in the first place.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Bottom line, these groups have been marginalized and while they might gain new members, they're not the force that they were in the 40's or 50's.

They don't have the power with law enforcement that they used to, and they don't have the backings of whole communities anymore.

Their right to free speech and to congregate is protected, but words shouldn't hurt anyone anymore.

Words shouldnt hurt anyone anymore. They still do, but thems the breaks.

These groups have found that using words to hurt people isnt effective anymore. They now use words to try and convince people that their views are right, and no matter how perverted these views are, there are people that will believe them unless the opposite view is presented just as equally, powerfully and convincingly.

The worst thing that anyone can do is give them validity, beat them up, respond to them or engage them in debate.

I broke this up and bolded it because it is remarkably accurate and true.

Forget them. Their minds are made up and are unlikely to be changed, especially considering their 'support group.'

Concentrate on their target market. The audience. They're the ones who are in need of your input, empathy and desire to help.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To the person that started this topic, but in order to understand how fringe these groups have become in the U.S. and Canada, you have to compare and contrast to some of the European based white supremist gangs

And Europe is a more 'Godless' country than the US.

Who'd of thought that religion has nothing to do with it?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Locke

Concentrate on their target market. The audience. They're the ones who are in need of your input, empathy and desire to help.

I think this is very important.

Instead of focusing on these 'hate' groups....we should focus on the people THEY are targeting...and educate THOSE people properly before they get brainwashed.

[feartheflames]

actually racism is very present (I saw it on CP awhile back), check out this video of this super cute baby, and then read the comments ( made by numerous posters) very disgusting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E4kyCiVF-0

[Cheese]

Scary group and to be taken VERY seriously.
A good friend who was in the police force went undercover and infiltrated the Aryans. He lived among them for two years. My friend is a VERY large man and quite intimidating. He said he was never comfortable and after two years he quit the force altogether and entered public life. He said that what he saw and what he dealt with changed him inside...forever. These guys are never to be taken lightly.

[Shakira]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Scary group and to be taken VERY seriously.
A good friend who was in the police force went undercover and infiltrated the Aryans. He lived among them for two years. My friend is a VERY large man and quite intimidating. He said he was never comfortable and after two years he quit the force altogether and entered public life. He said that what he saw and what he dealt with changed him inside...forever. These guys are never to be taken lightly.

What did he experience?

[iggypop]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Are these guys really to be taken seriously anymore? I mean, most of these groups seem to be made up of useless uneducated unemployed youngsters who are jaded that opportunities aren't handed to them. I think most of the population sees through this garbage these days, and I think the power of these organizations is dwindling fast. At least I hope so. I just remember seeing something on the news a couple months ago, where some of these guys had a protest in Calgary and normal citizens all stood up to them. It was nice too see.

Unfortunately there lies your problem. If nobody stands up to them, they are simply ignored; and the only reason individuals join these groups and have their protests is for attention. By supposedly doing the right thing and standing up to them, you are merely feeding the fire. Ignore them, and they will go away.