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Old 01-10-2008, 10:45 AM   #21
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when I first heard this this morning it was...get this....when I my dog was listening to the radio. (leave it on for her during the day)
anyway, I remember them saying something like 10 fire trucks and 10 ambulances on scene at the time



22 fire trucks and 19 ambulances....that must of really put a strain on EMS although with just 8 patients alot of them would be released as they weren't needed.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:00 AM   #22
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Let me be the first to tell all of you about how responsible and smart I am because I wear my seatbelt at all times on a plane.
Quoted For Truth. I'll bet a few more people will buckle up now.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:05 AM   #23
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QR77 says it may have been a problem with the autopilot causing it to turn sideways,not turbulence.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:18 AM   #24
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22 fire trucks and 19 ambulances....that must of really put a strain on EMS although with just 8 patients alot of them would be released as they weren't needed.
22 trucks? Why so many? Isn't there 6 trucks at 13 and 2 at 27? That would have been a site to see.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:20 AM   #25
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wow, that would be terrifying. For me that would rank right up there with kayaking with the white shark from that other thread.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:22 AM   #26
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22 trucks? Why so many? Isn't there 6 trucks at 13 and 2 at 27? That would have been a site to see.

Yeah 6 at 13 and 1 at 27,that leaves 15 from other halls.
This would include pumper trucks,aerials,emergency rescue,tankers,hazmat and a district chief.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:23 AM   #27
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...National/home/

Some of the injuries are life-threatening.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:31 AM   #29
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I've heard about 4 different stories so far....at first it was a plane crash with 18 people killed, then it was turbulence with minor injuries, then it was the auto pilot and now life threatening injuries.

Kinda wondering which one is true.....especially since I fly out tomorrow morning and my g/f won't go anywhere near a plane if she knows someone was killed recently.
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On Global at 11am they showed passengers being carried off on stretchers and said the worst injuries were spinal injuries. 9 were serious.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:37 AM   #31
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I'm guessing they hit turbulence with a shear layer which dropped them and made them yaw or bank a bit. I believe if the turbulence is severe enough the autopilot will disengage itself, which might be the cause of the autopilot rumors. It would very unlikely and rare that the autopilot caused a severe enough descent rate to cause injuries. It could cause the plane to bank suddenly and that might cause injuries, but reports say they hit the ceiling, so that doesn't seem to be what happened.
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all minor injuries - soft tissue - according to CBC
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Global just said there are "6 people with serious, potential life threatening injuries"
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I have a couple of pilot friends who echo Fotze's sentiment that you need your seat belt on whenever possible. It all comes down to the fact that pockets of air can do just about anything to an aircraft regardless of pilot skill or plane design.
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keep it buckled, but loose... thats how I go... It might hurt a bit, but at least I won't fly and hit my head into the ceiling.
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Can planes dump fuel over land (or I guess in that case anywhere)? That stuff has to land somewhere, and I'm sure it creates an enviromental mess.

I read somewhere that the jet fuel vaporizes when dumped. Very little comes to earth.
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I read somewhere that the jet fuel vaporizes when dumped. Very little comes to earth.
It would all hit the earth eventally, but so diluted and so spread out that it doesn't make a difference.
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It would all hit the earth eventally, but so diluted and so spread out that it doesn't make a difference.
No, in pretty much all cases it vaporizes.
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Global just said there are "6 people with serious, potential life threatening injuries"
The Globe and Mail link posted above has already changed to remove the speculation about life-threatening injuries.

Sounds like some media outlets may be jumping the gun to break a new angle first...
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It would all hit the earth eventally, but so diluted and so spread out that it doesn't make a difference.
Don't be so sure about that. I imagine there's someone somewhere counting how many jet fuel hydrocarbon molecules accumulate in a seagull's body and how by doing such practice we're ruining precious eco-systems and if we must fly we should purchase jet fuel offsets offered by the same such person that monitors it in the first place. And of course by offset I don't mean projects that actually remove as much jet fuel from the air that are sent on average by one flight, but rather projects that show the possibility of one day in the far off future doing just that.
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