Hmv

[kipperfan]

I should also add...I do buy a few CD's a year. But I only do that to show support for a small time(or possibly independent) artist or group and the only reason I do it is beacause alot of the little guys are getting screwed worse then the consumers are.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

I guess that HMV's problem isnt it?

Certainly isnt my problem. I would love to support some artists and "buy" music, but until the prices are reasonable I will continue getting all of my music for free.

So you steal music. I hate to sound like an old school teacher or something, but seriously, don't complain about the price of music when you steal it. I know you'll probably say "oh, but everyone does it" or something to that effect, but it really doesn't matter. Hey you know what, I think the price of gas has been too high lately , so I'm going to start filling up my gas and then taking off without paying from now on. Oh wait, I'm a REAL criminal because I'm physically stealing from someone, and you're not because you do it from your computer right?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by flameswin

So you steal music. I hate to sound like an old school teacher or something, but seriously, don't complain about the price of music when you steal it. I know you'll probably say "oh, but everyone does it" or something to that effect, but it really doesn't matter. Hey you know what, I think the price of gas has been too high lately , so I'm going to start filling up my gas and then taking off without paying from now on. Oh wait, I'm a REAL criminal because I'm physically stealing from someone, and you're not because you do it from your computer right?

I don't think its 'illegal' to download music in Canada....

[DementedReality]

if the prices are too high, they will lower them. as long as they are selling, the price is not too high and they should not lower them. they have an obligation to the employee's and shareholders to charge as much as they can. continue to vote with your wallet, its your right, but dont go on believing they are charging too much. if they could charge you a fee to walk into their store, they would, should and are ethically obligated too.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't think its 'illegal' to download music in Canada....

Really???





*Starts downloading free music*

[Azure]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Really???





*Starts downloading free music*

Pretty sure.

Unless they recently changed the laws.

[Sittler]

weird - a double post.

[Sittler]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Well that's what happens when you buy your Electric Wizard CD's at HMV.

Actually, in this case it was the last Devin Townsend solo disc. I won't bother with HMV unless it's a sale. The Wizard was mostly bought online...

I have close to 2000 CDs and I still buy them like crazy. A lot of them these days are bought used as well as I frequent places like willowtip.com and theendrecords.com. Places that actually have decent prices along with shipping.

As far as this whole fiasco goes, I know it isn't entirely HMVs fault, but all these stupid bastiges need to get locked in a room and figure something out (ie: each take less coin) so that they all can remain in business. This is a dilemma that will (and obviously has) affect all of them and as such they are a "body" and need to react accordingly. The fact that they are archaic in their reactions to this is mind-boggling. If they are only making the supposed 4% that someone claims in this thread then they need to put pressure down the pipeline (ie: the distributors). The fact that you can find a Kreator CD for $11-$14 on Amazon and CDUniverse goes to prove that something is F-ed up if HMV is trying to ding me $24 for the same thing here...

I also dowlonad shlt like a madman... BUT - when I come across music that I download and like (such as a few more "recent", as in the last 6 months, additions like Bloodhorse, Ufomammut, Baroness, etc.) I go and purchase it. The blogs out there that "offer" "free" music act as sort of a listening booth for me. I NEED to have the actual CD in my hands. Buying music online just doesn't do it for me. I then take my CD and rip it to put on my HD and iPod to listen at work, etc. The fact that I have over 2000 CD's attests to the fact that I will pay for CDs and continue to do so. I actually had around 200-3000 in a "previous life", but got all stupid and sold them all. Dumb move as I am still looking for some of them now...

I've talked time and time again with friends who are heavily into music and if we could purchase CDs from $10-$15 then we would buy a boatload of music every month. This actually has proof from when A&B had good pricing. In fact, they pulled the same stunt that HMV did in releasing a news item about lower their prices. Whereas HMV's were lower, but not reasonable, A&B's prices were awesome. Friends and I were buying CDs from them like crazy (most weren't over $16). I'd go in their and barely walk away without at least 3-4 discs. It took them a bit longer to change their ways (at least a year or two). I think it was about the same time Seanix bought them out. Anyway, it's the same old adage about making things cheaper will only cause people to buy more in the end.


Everyone be sure to support the bands you like by at least going to their gigs and buying a t-shirt or CD directly from them.

Fook it all - I'm going to listen to some of the latest Electric Wizard

[ericschand]

Originally Posted by Azure

I don't think its 'illegal' to download music in Canada....

"Justice Konrad von Finckenstein ruled Wednesday that the Canadian Recording Industry Association did not prove there was copyright infringement by 29 so-called music uploaders. He said that downloading a song or making files available in shared directories, like those on Kazaa, does not constitute copyright infringement under the current Canadian law."

Here.

I believe the new DMCA-like laws our honourable Heritage Minister was trying
to pass a couple of weeks ago was to make it illegal. It's been postponed.
For now...

ers

[Dodsdomd]

I love Electric Wizard.

[Traditional_Ale]

Kipperfan:

Download your tunes for a quarter a song and they won't be loaded with viruses and sound like crap. The tags will be proper and the album cover will appear without hassle in your mp3 player of choice.

People who make money in the music industry don't do it from album sales like the old days, but from broadcast/sync royalties. One performance of a song at the superbowl is worth a lot more than selling a million units.

Lastly, there are lots of artists (Nine Inch Nails comes to mind) who say in their albums that they can be reproduced and downloaded for personal use for free. Hell, NiN even provided the multitracks so you could enter a remix contest! Many albums also INCLUDE the mp3s, and now I've even seen some which include TWO SETS of mp3s, one at 192 for the ipod, and one at 96 for email sharing.

The trick to getting someone to pay $20 for an album is to make sure that:

a) its longer than 45 minutes!

and most importantly,

b) Make the PRODUCT amazing to look at/hold/read...whatever. David Gilmour's "On An Island" (forgive me if I got the title wrong) was actually hardcover book cut to the dimensions of a CD case, and the disc was mounted inside the back cover with a foam nubbie. Total class, and worth the 20 bucks.

and

c) CD's sound way better than mp3s.

[604flames]

I agree on the CD pricing tip..

That said, I grabbed the new World Junior DVD set the other day for $34.99, which is something of an anomaly. The only reason I ever go into HMV is to see what's out on DVD and what features it has so I can buy it on ebay.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Lastly, there are lots of artists (Nine Inch Nails comes to mind) who say in their albums that they can be reproduced and downloaded for personal use for free. Hell, NiN even provided the multitracks so you could enter a remix contest! Many albums also INCLUDE the mp3s, and now I've even seen some which include TWO SETS of mp3s, one at 192 for the ipod, and one at 96 for email sharing.

Nine Inch Nails, really? I bought their With Teeth album a couple years ago and I couldn't do anything with the music. I could only listen to it in CD player or on my computer with a full screen player. I wasn't able to rip it onto my computer. A copyright program kept stopping me. I listen to music only through my iPod. So therefore I don't listen to NiN and they can get bent. That was the only CD I've ever boughten thats done that to me.

[SarichFan]

Originally Posted by 604flames

I agree on the CD pricing tip..

That said, I grabbed the new World Junior DVD set the other day for $34.99, which is something of an anomaly. The only reason I ever go into HMV is to see what's out on DVD and what features it has so I can buy it on ebay.

Isn't that what the internet is for?? You can find out anything about anything on the interwebs.

But yes eBay owns all. You can find factory sealed Blu-Ray's for like $20 shipped

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Nine Inch Nails, really? I bought their With Teeth album a couple years ago and I couldn't do anything with the music. I could only listen to it in CD player or on my computer with a full screen player. I wasn't able to rip it onto my computer. A copyright program kept stopping me. I listen to music only through my iPod. So therefore I don't listen to NiN and they can get bent. That was the only CD I've ever boughten thats done that to me.

I think Trent was in a feud with his record label, as in they were not willing to market the music the way he wanted. So at his shows he would encourage fans to DL his music for free.

I do not believe Year Zero (the one after With Teeth) has the same protection impediments because if I recall correctly, he now releases exclusively on his own record label. Which of course he has total control of.

Its funny, because I'm not even a huge NiN fan. The Fragile (left and right) was amazing. But the rest are only so so, imo.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by flameswin

So you steal music. I hate to sound like an old school teacher or something, but seriously, don't complain about the price of music when you steal it. I know you'll probably say "oh, but everyone does it" or something to that effect, but it really doesn't matter. Hey you know what, I think the price of gas has been too high lately , so I'm going to start filling up my gas and then taking off without paying from now on. Oh wait, I'm a REAL criminal because I'm physically stealing from someone, and you're not because you do it from your computer right?

If you woke up tomorrow and found out you could legally, anonymously, effortlessly and without the knowledge of the gas-seller fill up your tank with gas for free simply by clicking a couple buttons, would you do it, or would you insist on going to the gas station/oil company and paying what you consider a ridiculously high cost for gasoline?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

If you woke up tomorrow and found out you could legally, anonymously, effortlessly and without the knowledge of the gas-seller fill up your tank with gas for free simply by clicking a couple buttons, would you do it, or would you insist on going to the gas station/oil company and paying what you consider a ridiculously high cost for gasoline?

If you woke up tommorow and had a magic button that just made the gasoline appear out of the ground, well gas wouldn't be very expensive would it? Not to mention a lot of people would be out of work, and I hope your filled tank keeps you warm while rig-buddy's kids starve.

If you woke up tommorow and had a magic button that made completed artistic musical statements fully produced, packaged and distributed, then music would be free for all and we would have holograms giving concerts.

I really wish the average pirate had any idea whatsoever what goes into composing, performing, and producing music. The kind worth paying for anyway.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

If you woke up tommorow and had a magic button that just made the gasoline appear out of the ground, well gas wouldn't be very expensive would it? Not to mention a lot of people would be out of work, and I hope your filled tank keeps you warm while rig-buddy's kids starve.

Well if that's the argument... I did wake up one day (years ago now) and had a magic button that made music appear out of the ether, for free, so I guess music isn't that expensive, is it?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Well if that's the argument... I did wake up one day (years ago now) and had a magic button that made music appear out of the ether, for free, so I guess music isn't that expensive, is it?

If you truly get the engaging audio listening experience from downloaded mp3's, then by all means man, help yourself.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

If you truly get the engaging audio listening experience from downloaded mp3's, then by all means man, help yourself.

Then what's the problem? If I'm getting crap then who cares? You seem to care.

I must admit I'm something of a rube. I'm not one really looking for that "engaging audio listening experience" because I can't tell the difference between that and "listening to music".