Atleast 9 dead in Omaha mall shooting

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by troutman

(This is not possible in the information age), but what if we could deny these murderers the media attention they desire? Would these murders even happen if wasn't going to be headline news?

Well, this very sentiment came up too in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech shootings. I don't know how you'd begin to suppress this kind of information, and secondly why would it be in the public's best interest. Bad stuff happens.

If you subscribe to the idea that the world is shrinking in the information age, then if something like this happened in your backyard, you'd have a right to know. I don't see this as being much different.

People go to school every day. People regularly go to malls. That's why these tragic events hit harder. It hits the common comfort zones we all have.

[tkflames]

Another thing that was really disappointing about this story: When the story first broke it CNN referred to the shooter as an African American man, which really was an inapplicable detail to the story and as it turns out was false as per cnn. As the picture on the website clearly does not look like an African Amercian man.

[Azure]

If you actually think about it.....crazies could do a LOT of damage.

Goes to show that our background has a lot to say in regards to the decisions we make. Many of us would never 'dream' about going on a mall rampage.

[DementedReality]

Originally Posted by Table 5

um, you feeling ok there, captain?

ya no kidding!the knock on the door is your friend.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Terrible situation...a rhetorical question for any gun-nuts out there...how many shootings have ever been stopped/interfered with by a member of the public carrying a gun? None?

Grundy, VA (2002 I think). Law school flunkie kills Dean, others. Subdued by students, at least 1 with a personal firearm.

It happens, but the amount of people that actually carry their personal firearms in their vehicle/on their person in he U.S. is less than some may think.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by troutman

(This is not possible in the information age), but what if we could deny these murderers the media attention they desire? Would these murders even happen if wasn't going to be headline news?

Maybe we are starting to deny these murderers the attention they desire? De-sensitization and all that?

I hate to sound cold and all, but I read the headline for this on the BBC and and I gave one of these looks and didn't even bother reading the story.

When the Columbine thing happened I watched the news for 14 hours and I still know the names of the kids who did it. I'll never know this guy's name.

I think it was in "Se7en" when a character told the crazy dude that he was nothing more than a "movie of the week". Whoever did this isn't even that anymore.

And after writing all that, hopefully this blather of mine isn't inappropriate for the thread.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Maybe we are starting to deny these murderers the attention they desire? De-sensitization and all that?

I hate to sound cold and all, but I read the headline for this on the BBC and and I gave one of these looks and didn't even bother reading the story.

When the Columbine thing happened I watched the news for 14 hours and I still know the names of the kids who did it. I'll never know this guy's name.

I think it was in "Se7en" when a character told the crazy dude that he was nothing more than a "movie of the week". Whoever did this isn't even that anymore.

And after writing all that, hopefully this blather of mine isn't inappropriate for the thread.

No I understand where you're coming from. I remember one of my basic training instructors telling me this story one night when we were on alert. I know that there's another way of telling it, but this is how he told it while we waited for whatever was going to happen.

"After a soldier walks into a village after a battle, he comes across a small child who was murdered during the carnage. Overcome with grief he sank to his knee's and raised his hands to the heavens and cried "Oh god, oh god how can you visit this cruelty onto the innocent"

He collects himself and walks down the road and sees another small child torn apart by the forces of war. He sobs to himself and say "This is terrible, war always takes the innocent"

He continues down the road and sees the body of a young woman, lying dead with a small child curled up beside her. He shakes his head at the scene and continues down on his journey.

After awhile he comes across three small children torn apart but holding hands. He looked at the scene for a minute and stated "Better them then me""

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Maybe we are starting to deny these murderers the attention they desire? De-sensitization and all that?

I hate to sound cold and all, but I read the headline for this on the BBC and and I gave one of these looks and didn't even bother reading the story.

When the Columbine thing happened I watched the news for 14 hours and I still know the names of the kids who did it. I'll never know this guy's name.

I think it was in "Se7en" when a character told the crazy dude that he was nothing more than a "movie of the week". Whoever did this isn't even that anymore.

And after writing all that, hopefully this blather of mine isn't inappropriate for the thread.

Inappropriate for the thread?

I think you might find you are in the majority. I had the exact same reaction. After Columbine, I was glued to the TV too.

Se7en is an undrrated movie. Some good social commentary actually beyond the great 'entertaining' story and fantastic 3 part acting.

[Sainters7]

From the article: "Debora Maruca Kovac, Hawkins' landlord who found the suicide note, said he wrote he was sorry for everything and did not want to be a burden to anyone any longer."

Well that's good he didn't want to be a burden to anyone any longer. He definitely wasn't a burden and cause grief for the families of the 9 people he killed. What a bunch of garbage.

[Tilley]

Shocking afternoon. Fortunately loved ones are all accounted for after a lot of calling. Families who are not as fortunate are in our prayers.

Apparently Debora Maruca Kovac was more than a landlord, she has boys the same age and took him in after he had been kicked out of several homes. She was trying to set him on the right track.

I agree with most of the posts, that this was a terrible incident but has unfortunately become too common. Maybe it is still too surreal to comprehend it occurring in a place I've frequented many times.

[pepper24]

The media needs to quit posting pictures and names of these gunmen. This guy wanted to be famous and the media is letting him have his wish. It's disgusting.

[bigtmac19]

Did anyone notice the landlord woman saying in the news, that the night before he did this he showed her this AK 47 rifle, but that she wasn't alarmed.
You know this kids has exhibited some pretty serious problems and he has a gun like this and you are not alarmed??? Did she ask him why he had such a weapon? To me that is a pretty glaring problem.

[pope04]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yup, right as rain.

Nah we had to game plan this out as part of a university assignment.

Al Qaeda University?

[FlamesKickAss]

Originally Posted by pepper24

The media needs to quit posting pictures and names of these gunmen. This guy wanted to be famous and the media is letting him have his wish. It's disgusting.

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i was suggesting this to my family, when something like this happens they need to not name the gunman or attacker, these people are just looking for the attention and if we stop giving it to them maybe it will slow down all these shootings. If he is still at large and you the name then release it but after that no way seal it up. Who cares what his name is, he is a waste of breath

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

Did anyone notice the landlord woman saying in the news, that the night before he did this he showed her this AK 47 rifle, but that she wasn't alarmed.
You know this kids has exhibited some pretty serious problems and he has a gun like this and you are not alarmed??? Did she ask him why he had such a weapon? To me that is a pretty glaring problem.

It's a greater problem than blaming the media for reporting on a legitimate news event. It's not the media's job to stay silent on it.

Rightly or wrongly, who he was, what he was and why he was that way is legitimate fodder for comment.

Having a 19 year-old guest with a criminal record in my house proudly showing off his AK-47 would be eyebrow raising to say the least!!!

Cowperson

Cowperson

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

It's a greater problem than blaming the media for reporting on a legitimate news event. It's not the media's job to stay silent on it.

Rightly or wrongly, who he was, what he was and why he was that way is legitimate fodder for comment.

Having a 19 year-old guest with a criminal record in my house proudly showing off his AK-47 would be eyebrow raising to say the least!!!

Cowperson

Cowperson

I know, it really boggles my mind. I'm sorry to be repetitive, but with his past troubles, at the very least, ask him what he is doing with a gun like that. I would have called the cops on him. Holy gun culture that something like that did not raise alarm bells with her.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by pepper24

The media needs to quit posting pictures and names of these gunmen. This guy wanted to be famous and the media is letting him have his wish. It's disgusting.

Funny how they can't get that right and yet if someone runs onto the field of play during a baseball or football game, they turn the cameras away or go to commercial.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

Did anyone notice the landlord woman saying in the news, that the night before he did this he showed her this AK 47 rifle, but that she wasn't alarmed.
You know this kids has exhibited some pretty serious problems and he has a gun like this and you are not alarmed??? Did she ask him why he had such a weapon? To me that is a pretty glaring problem.

The thing I find funny is that apparently obtaining and owning a rifle which was designed to be efficient at killing humans is no big deal to a lot of people it seems.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Funny how they can't get that right and yet if someone runs onto the field of play during a baseball or football game, they turn the cameras away or go to commercial.

###, so so true.

I think one tv network has to be the first to have the balls and say, our policy is not to release the name or image of the gunman even though you can find it on other networks. I bet they would get huge public support for that and that other networks would follow suit.

[TheDragon]

The Smoking Gun has released the gunman's suicide letters. Odd how he's so apologetic for what he's put his family and friends through, yet has 0 remorse for the families of the victims and/or people's lives he just destroyed. A severe misunderstanding of priority this kid had. He doesn't actually get into the details, thankfully.

At any rate, here they are; (Read at your own discretion. Foul language, some may find them disturbing) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...072omaha1.html