Defeated by weather

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TheyCallMeBruce

Doesn matter if you have all seasons or winters. if you suck at driving, nothing will save you. Like the old man who hit me because he spun out on his brand new winter tires that he got like 2 days ago. yeah, that helped him. This happened to me last year.

Bingo! Somebody gets it!

[habernac]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Yup, but you have to drive slower and leave more room to do it.

No, I don't.

What happens if you are cut off by someone else and you physically don't have enough stopping room left on your tires that aren't made for the conditions? What do you do to avoid that?

Defensive driving works just fine in this situation.

Have you ever had troubles getting going from an intersection? Or gone up a hill at 10km/h because you can barely get traction?

No, because I don't spin my wheels like a jackass. I have 4wd, I don't accelerate too fast, I don't spin.

I know something that could help you out with those scenarios. Unless you're too lazy.

Some of us can't afford 2 sets of tires, we have other priorities thank you very much.

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[Nufy]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

You guys are both the problem.

That's exactly the same as me saying I can take my 1960 air cooled VW that tops out at 70km/h on to Deerfoot if I want to, and screw everyone that gets delayed because of me.

That's great that you leave a lot of room when it's slippery. So do I on my winters. To be safe though, you have to leave more room than me, because it will take you much longer to stop.

Now you have 80% of people with their all seasons doing this, and guess what? The roads all now have a dramatically reduced capacity and everyone is that much later, and despite you "driving really safe" there are still more accidents. I would bet everything I own that a larger percentage of cars with all seasons crash in the winter than cars with proper winter tires. All seasons ARE NOT made to drive in -20. You can find that from many many sources.

So basically you are too lazy to own two sets of tires (I'd say cheap, but really it evens out in the end to almost the exact same cost) and as a result you screw everyone elses safety and commute times. Good work.

Get bent...

I am not too lazy or cheap to own two sets of tires.

I just don't need to.

Are they safer..probably. I've never argued that point.

I trust my driving skills and attitude enough that I don't need winter tires.

Been here 12 years, never had winter tires. Never had an accident either.

Grew up and drove for the rest of it in NFLD where we get a hell of a lot more snow and ice than there is here in Calgary.


Oh...and keep that air cooled VW in the far right lane please.....


4X4 may be behind you and need to pass..........

[RyZ]

My friend called me at 8:00AM this morning to tell me he was on his way from McKenzie to my place in Sundance. He got here after 9:20 and we didn't get to our job site until after 10. We usually get there about 8:30AM.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Dion

CFCN did a study a few winters back to what types of vehicles were getting into accidents. Of all the body shops they visited, the vast majority were filled with SUV,s and trucks. You know the vehicles that have the proper tires for the season.

Thats because all the POS cars are write offs and go straight to the junk yard atleast thats what happen to my GFs

[Ace]

Why is the city and mayor bragging about how it was a good thing they had the extra budget for snow removal this year. There is nothing about this am that suggests the snow removal did any good at all... It was rediculous out there.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ace

Why is the city and mayor bragging about how it was a good thing they had the extra budget for snow removal this year. There is nothing about this am that suggests the snow removal did any good at all... It was rediculous out there.

Hard to clean roads when snow is falling during the rush hour. From what was said on the news they couldn't keep up.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Dion

You keep going back to drivers holding you off. How about leaving early or not driving at all in the winter.

My point is that if everyone had winter tires, things would be safer, and more efficient to a degree. Do you disagree with this?

And winter tires are the only tires that should be used during winter? Laugh.

Yes. See below image.

So where were all those vehicles with summer tires you spouted off about?

How come they weren't the majority in the body shops?

People with cars that have summer tires for the most part realize summer tires are undrivable in cold temperatures, let alone snow, and they are forced to buy winters. Most SUV drivers don't feel the need to bother, because they have 4wd and all terrain tires!!!

Could it be that driving skills or lack of seems to be a cause of most the accidents.

Absolutely. No argument there. A good driver on all seasons will likely fair better than a terrible driver on winters. My point is, take any driver now who runs all seasons in winter, good or bad, give them winter tires, and they will have a further reduction in their chance of getting in an accident (unless they get overconfident in their tires, just like SUV 4wd syndrome).

Suck balls?

My driving abilities are quite fine, thank you!

I'm sure your driving skills are fine, it's your tires that are slurping on the testes.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by habernac

Yup, but you have to drive slower and leave more room to do it.

No, I don't.

When my car stops faster than yours, how can you say this? If I drive a truck towing a trailer in the summer, I leave more room in front of me than when I drive my car, as I know stopping distances are much longer. It's the safe thing to do.

What happens if you are cut off by someone else and you physically don't have enough stopping room left on your tires that aren't made for the conditions? What do you do to avoid that?

Defensive driving works just fine in this situation.

So you're driving down a busy one lane road with parked cars and a kid jumps in front of your car 45m down the road. The oncoming lane has heavy traffic. You hit your brakes, dead kid. I hit the brakes, and stop just in time.

Have you ever had troubles getting going from an intersection? Or gone up a hill at 10km/h because you can barely get traction?

No, because I don't spin my wheels like a jackass. I have 4wd, I don't accelerate too fast, I don't spin.

Well thats good. Lots of light FWD cars have a lot of trouble getting off the line on icy roads.

I know something that could help you out with those scenarios. Unless you're too lazy.

Some of us can't afford 2 sets of tires, we have other priorities thank you very much.

Your tires last twice as long, because they are on only 6 months a year. The cost is virtually the same. There is no valid financial excuse here. Buy a car that costs $200 less to offset the cost of a second set of wheels. Give me a break. Is a child car seat too expensive for your kid??

[Mr.Coffee]

People in Calgary complain a lot.. so your late for work, did you get fired? No? Who cares, everybody has to deal with it. You should be happy you get to drive in a nice warm vehicle as opposed to standing on a CTrain platform.

For the guy angry about people taking the bus when they normally don't- your somehow more entitled to take the bus because..........

Life could be worse. Calgary is a pretty nice place to live I think, even if it is cold and the traffic sucks.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

People in Calgary complain a lot.. so your late for work, did you get fired? No? Who cares, everybody has to deal with it. You should be happy you get to drive in a nice warm vehicle as opposed to standing on a CTrain platform.

For the guy angry about people taking the bus when they normally don't- your somehow more entitled to take the bus because..........

Life could be worse. Calgary is a pretty nice place to live I think, even if it is cold and the traffic sucks.

So I shouldn't care about people's safety?

Calgary has it's fair share of winter driving conditions in a year. People should realize that and purchase the necessary safety equipment for it. If you don't want to pay for a block heater or winter tires, move to California.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

My point is that if everyone had winter tires, things would be safer, and more efficient to a degree. Do you disagree with this?

That shows only one side of the argument. It doesn't factor in the driving abilities of drivers in general - which to me is more important. So what if you stop sooner, you got to have the driver behind the wheel that knows how to deal with winter conditions.

People with cars that have summer tires for the most part realize summer tires are undrivable in cold temperatures, let alone snow, and they are forced to buy winters. Most SUV drivers don't feel the need to bother, because they have 4wd and all terrain tires!!!

You'd be surprised at the number of vehicles that run summer tires in the winter

Absolutely. No argument there. A good driver on all seasons will likely fair better than a terrible driver on winters. My point is, take any driver now who runs all seasons in winter, good or bad, give them winter tires, and they will have a further reduction in their chance of getting in an accident (unless they get overconfident in their tires, just like SUV 4wd syndrome).

With over 20 years of winter driving on all seasons and all I see no reason to fork out a large chunk of change for winter tires. Winter tires aren't the soltion, teaching people how to handle winter conditions is a better option IMO.

Guess we'll agree to disagree on this issue

I'm sure your driving skills are fine, it's your tires that are slurping on the testes.

Tires work just fine

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

So I shouldn't care about people's safety?

Calgary has it's fair share of winter driving conditions in a year. People should realize that and purchase the necessary safety equipment for it. If you don't want to pay for a block heater or winter tires, move to California.

Ummm I think your argument is with Dion. I actually was discussing the thread topic, not your argument about winter tires, which I stopped reading after a couple of your posts.

My point is this though-

We live in Calgary. There hasn't been 1 winter in the last 300 years where it hasn't snowed. You have to expect it, and you have to expect the roads to be slow, and the traffic to be brutal. At the end of the day, it's not a big deal.

People complain a lot. That's all.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

So I shouldn't care about people's safety?

Calgary has it's fair share of winter driving conditions in a year. People should realize that and purchase the necessary safety equipment for it. If you don't want to pay for a block heater or winter tires, move to California.

You should be worrying about peoples driving abilities.

In a city where the cost of living is high not everyone has the luxury of extra funds for winter tires. Maybe it's you that should move to California.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Dion

You should be worrying about peoples driving abilities.

In a city where the cost of living is high not everyone has the luxury of extra funds for winter tires. Maybe it's you that should move to California.

It's a little easier to point out to people that they are running all season tires than it is to convince them they are bad drivers.

As I've stated, winter tires really don't cost any more, besides maybe a $100 or $200 one time cost for winter rims. You are running your winter tires and summer tires for roughly 6 months at a time, so they will last twice as many years.

Of course everyone being a better driver is the best solution, but I'm pretty sure people aren't bad drivers on purpose for the most part. Many people purposely run tires that are known to be less safe in winter.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

It's a little easier to point out to people that they are running all season tires than it is to convince them they are bad drivers.

Just because someone runs on all seasons doesn't automaticly make them a less safer driver. I pointed out the other factors that have to be included

As I've stated, winter tires really don't cost any more, besides maybe a $100 or $200 one time cost for winter rims. You are running your winter tires and summer tires for roughly 6 months at a time, so they will last twice as many years.

As i've stated before, i see no reason to buy those tires and rims, but hey, if you feel that strongly about it, send me a cheque

Of course everyone being a better driver is the best solution, but I'm pretty sure people aren't bad drivers on purpose for the most part. Many people purposely run tires that are known to be less safe in winter.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

[Bill Bumface]

In other threads that Calgarypuck members don't speed, and now we've just found out they are in fact such good drivers, that they can even overcome physics.

No wonder my graph of stopping distances was never addressed, people drive so well that friction is really a non factor. Stopping distances have nothing to do with safety when you're a really really good driver. How stupid of me.

[habernac]

I give up, you win. I'm a terrible, lazy, no good person for not buying winter tires. Driving carefully with my all wheel drive and my decent all season tires is akin to murder apparently.



Seriously, if you don't drive like an idiot, all season tires are just fine. Especially in a climate like this one where the snow melts 47 times each winter.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by fotze

How much are these Nokians? Can you really feel the difference they make? How much does it cost to take tires on and off twice a year?

Depends, free if you know how to operate a jack.

[The Unabomber]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

In other threads that Calgarypuck members don't speed, and now we've just found out they are in fact such good drivers, that they can even overcome physics.

No wonder my graph of stopping distances was never addressed, people drive so well that friction is really a non factor. Stopping distances have nothing to do with safety when you're a really really good driver. How stupid of me.

And it's guys like you who tailgate me while i'm driving down the road because you have "winter tires" on your 4x4 so you just can't possibly get into an accident.

Listen, if you want winter tires that's great, i don't NEED winter tires and haven't needed winter tires even though i have grown up and lived my entire life in Calgary. I'm more worried about the idiot behind me than i am about sliding, i've never been in an accident yet you are convinced that i need winter tires. How many accidents have you been in?

People should get winter tires so they can have a false sense of security and then they can go faster which will make the commute to work quicker when it snows, but what happens when all these vehicles that should be going 40 are going 70 and they crash? Oops, traffic jams.