Muslim employee at Canada airport fights dress code

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Hoot, I really don't think that there is any valid argument regarding the length of time she waits to do this. It is entirely beside the point.

How is it "bedsides the point"?

She had time to dispute it WHILE continuing to do her job, but insteads she decides if I can't do it I am not going to work. Well that is her choice not to go to work. She knew when taking the job and working at the job year after year after year that this was in conflict of her religon. She had ample time to get this issue resolved...she choose a different path.

[4X4]

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She had time to dispute while doing her job? She got permission to wear the thing and then permission was revoked. What does that have to do with the fact that she worked there 1 year, 2 years or 5 years?

We are obviously talking about different things.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by PowerPlayoffs06

Sounds like a sad place to live to me. No real national symbols - just a mish-mash of symbols borrowed from other countries. No real cultural traditions - instead, a mass of traditions that clash with eachother. No real concept of patriotism - since everybody seems to favor the way of life in their old country more.

If that's Canadas culture, then there really is no such thing as being Canadian. Just being a member of another country who happens to live on a piece of land named Canada with other people from other countries.

Honestly culture and traditions wise, North America is pretty bad. Europe has such rich traditions, culture and vibrant social life. Even Iceland which is tiny has a really neat feel to it.

However saying that, I love Canada and even though its deficient in a few key areas its still got so many positives. Canadian values are cool and suit me more than most countries do.

Patriotism isn't a good thing, being proud of being Canadian is fine, but Patriotism can also be a very dangerous and detrimental thing.

[PowerPlayoffs06]

Originally Posted by 4X4

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She had time to dispute while doing her job? She got permission to wear the thing and then permission was revoked. What does that have to do with the fact that she worked there 1 year, 2 years or 5 years?

We are obviously talking about different things.

Would it not seem silly to you if your wife/girlfriend/whatever suddenly took exception to your speeding after 5 years of being together and decided you needed to drive the limit from now on? Not to dig at you for speeding, just picked something you can relate to.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by PowerPlayoffs06

Would it not seem silly to you if your wife/girlfriend/whatever suddenly took exception to your speeding after 5 years of being together and decided you needed to drive the limit from now on? Not to dig at you for speeding, just picked something you can relate to.

Perhaps, but if she whined about it on the first date, there wouldn't have been a second.

[PowerPlayoffs06]

Originally Posted by Thor

Honestly culture and traditions wise, North America is pretty bad. Europe has such rich traditions, culture and vibrant social life. Even Iceland which is tiny has a really neat feel to it.

However saying that, I love Canada and even though its deficient in a few key areas its still got so many positives. Canadian values are cool and suit me more than most countries do.

Totally agree.

Patriotism isn't a good thing, being proud of being Canadian is fine, but Patriotism can also be a very dangerous and detrimental thing.

Is there really such a thing as being Canadian though? It seems to me people are proud to be of their heritage, but happy to live in Canada. I can't really think of anything uniquely Canadian to be proud of anymore.

[TibHockeyPlayer]

Originally Posted by fotze

Go back to your own country.

What a freaking ridiculous thing to say u ignorant jackazz. That was uncalled for, and had nothing to do with the situation under scope.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by TibHockeyPlayer

What a freaking ridiculous thing to say u ignorant jackazz. That was uncalled for, and had nothing to do with the situation under scope.

"Do Not Feed"

[PowerPlayoffs06]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Perhaps, but if she whined about it on the first date, there wouldn't have been a second.

And now after 5 years would you not question why the issue wasn't raised at the beginning of the relationship? Not wonder why all of a sudden it's become this big problem and if you don't stop speeding, you're facing a break-up or divorce?

[TibHockeyPlayer]

Originally Posted by llama64

"Do Not Feed"

Point taken.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by llama64

"Do Not Feed"

14 pages in and someone finally notices that one.. lol..

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

You are right. I ate meat for 20 years before becoming a vegetarian. Why I waited 20 years, I'll never know. But now that I have eaten meat for 20 years of my life, I should be forced to eat it? Oi.

-=-=-=-=-

Yeah. That's it. The difference being she was always Muslim. You weren't always vegetarian.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by PowerPlayoffs06

And now after 5 years would you not question why the issue wasn't raised at the beginning of the relationship? Not wonder why all of a sudden it's become this big problem and if you don't stop speeding, you're facing a break-up or divorce?

But that's the thing. After 5 years, she can talk to me about anything. She can say that I drive too fast and I need to tone it down so that she feels secure in knowing that I'll be home for dinner and not in the hospital.

What that scenario is, is an example of how people discuss an issue rather than treat it as a confrontation.

Which is exactly what our lady in question did. She spoke to her supervisor and offered a solution that worked for both of them. The supervisor accepted the solution. GREAT.

7 months later, suddenly the rug is pulled out from under her. Her solution is no longer acceptable. WTF?

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by 4X4

But that's the thing. After 5 years, she can talk to me about anything. She can say that I drive too fast and I need to tone it down so that she feels secure in knowing that I'll be home for dinner and not in the hospital.

What that scenario is, is an example of how people discuss an issue rather than treat it as a confrontation.

Which is exactly what our lady in question did. She spoke to her supervisor and offered a solution that worked for both of them. The supervisor accepted the solution. GREAT.

7 months later, suddenly the rug is pulled out from under her. Her solution is no longer acceptable. WTF?

I thought she spoke to the uniform guy, not her supervisor?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

So because someone has religious conviction you would question their ability to be an RCMP officer? How are the two even remotely related? How is that a sign of poor intelligence or competence? I think you are grasping at straws here.

Not his religious conviction but the level to which he felt it was necessary to take it. Someone who wants to get lawyers involved and sue me is not the kind of person that I want working for me. Someone who doesn't want to work by the rules I set out is not someone I want to work for me.

I would say his deciding that he should be above the rules and then suing the RCMP shows me poor judgement and that in turn would make me question his competence.

If wants to have this "religious conviction" thats fine then don't apply to jobs in which your convictions would conflict with the requirements. The fact that he did apply to a job like this, choose not to meet the requirements and then whined about it makes me question his decision making and intelligence yes.

Also, for me "religious conviction" isn't all that high on the list of qualities whether personally or professionally so that doesn't really come into play for me.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I thought she spoke to the uniform guy, not her supervisor?

Really? If so, I'm wrong. But that begs the question: WTF was her supervisor doing for 7 months while she was wearing the long skirt? Did he not notice? Did he not care? Why, after 7 months?

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by moon

Not his religious conviction but the level to which he felt it was necessary to take it. Someone who wants to get lawyers involved and sue me is not the kind of person that I want working for me. Someone who doesn't want to work by the rules I set out is not someone I want to work for me.

I would say his deciding that he should be above the rules and then suing the RCMP shows me poor judgement and that in turn would make me question his competence.

Emily Murphy would have made a horrible senator anyway. Could you imagine having someone in such a position that would be willing to sue her employer because of her convictions?

* Edit: Yes, it's not a perfect analogy. No, I'm not being serious.

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by moon

Not his religious conviction but the level to which he felt it was necessary to take it. Someone who wants to get lawyers involved and sue me is not the kind of person that I want working for me. Someone who doesn't want to work by the rules I set out is not someone I want to work for me.

I would say his deciding that he should be above the rules and then suing the RCMP shows me poor judgement and that in turn would make me question his competence.

If wants to have this "religious conviction" thats fine then don't apply to jobs in which your convictions would conflict with the requirements. The fact that he did apply to a job like this, choose not to meet the requirements and then whined about it makes me question his decision making and intelligence yes.

Also, for me "religious conviction" isn't all that high on the list of qualities whether personally or professionally so that doesn't really come into play for me.

How is someone incompetent for suing you??? I would argue the opposite. He feels that he is being wronged and is smart enough to do something about it. If anything, that to me portrays conviction.

And how does wearing a turban break the requirement for being an RCMP officer? Does it somehow make him a worse officer? I still don't see how it is a sign of diminished intelligence. Perhaps he applies for the job, even knowing what the rules were hoping to change them because he felt they were unjust.

[FanIn80]

Simplicity:

If your religious beliefs don't allow you to wear short skirts, then don't wear short skirts. If the company you work for has an employee dress code that goes against your religious beliefs, then don't work there.

I'm sorry, but trying to force an entire company to succumb to your own religious beliefs is just the lazy way out. People all over the world make intense, personal sacrifices every day in order to practice their religions, but this woman can't simply find another job in a city where you can trip over 17 jobs on the way to your car in the morning?

Please. You want to impress me? Sacrifice your job in the name of your beliefs and find somewhere else to work.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

How is someone incompetent for suing you??? I would argue the opposite. He feels that he is being wronged and is smart enough to do something about it. If anything, that to me portrays conviction.

And how does wearing a turban break the requirement for being an RCMP officer? Does it somehow make him a worse officer? I still don't see how it is a sign of diminished intelligence. Perhaps he applies for the job, even knowing what the rules were hoping to change them because he felt they were unjust.

He is being wronged because he can't wear a turban? I guess we have differing opinions on what being wronged means and what is unjust.

Why would you want someone to work for you who's so-called conviction is that you are wrong and that he shouldn't have to obey/listen to you or follow your rules? To me that shows someone who is going to be a problme in the future.