Man dies after being tasered in Vancouver Airport

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Whoa Whoa. Why are you jumping all over him? Settle down. The poster never made any opinions either way, he simply posted the article that relates to the topic at hand. Which is a man dieing because he was tasered.

is that so? they he should be jumped all over..because i dont think that was the case...yes a man died and yes that same man was tasered...i hardly think that they are related...

[Ford Prefect]

What I like about tasers is that they're sort of like a form of Capital Punishment Roulette, except without all that sticky business about fair trials and due process.

And no, I'm not serious. Just trying to lighten the mood a little.

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

is that so? they he should be jumped all over..because i dont think that was the case...yes a man died and yes that same man was tasered...i hardly think that they are related...

He should be jumped all over? For providing a link to an article? Are you the only person allowed to supply outside information to this thread?

Are you that insecure in your stance on the issue?

[metallicat]

Here's an interesting article: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....502&highlight=

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According to news reports from Alberta's Edmonton Sun in Canada, a local medical examiner has stated that misconceptions and misinformation about police TASER devices are causing misguided speculation in excited delirium deaths. Excited delirium is a condition that causes victims to display extremely aggressive behavior and "superhuman" strength and often requires several people to control the affected individual. Most often excited delirium victims stop breathing and do not respond to resuscitation attempts.

Dr. Graeme Dowling of Edmonton's medical examiner's office stated that there are actually "no definitive cases where TASERs have actually killed anybody." Dowling also noted that because the electricity from a TASER device flows across the skin surface, as opposed to through internal organs, there is no effect on the heart. "The frustrating thing for us is these deaths occur and the immediate speculation is TASER," says Dowling.

To date, TASER systems have not been named in any in-custody death situation in Edmonton.

This information was compiled through publicly available media reports and distributed by Dittus Communications, Inc. of Washington, D.C.

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[Burninator]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

is that so? they he should be jumped all over..because i dont think that was the case...yes a man died and yes that same man was tasered...i hardly think that they are related...

Sorry I worded that incorrectly. I didn't mean to imply that the taser caused his death. I meant to say that it is a similar case because the man was tasered and died shortly after. Sure they are related. People getting tasered and dieing shortly after is a topical issue right now.

Originally Posted by MaxPower

He should be jumped all over? For providing a link to an article? Are you the only person allowed to supply outside information to this thread?

Are you that insecure in your stance on the issue?

This thread has jumped around in it's focus a few times. Yes it is releveant in the sense that someone died after the use of a taser. But, it is not relevant when discussing the decision to use it as it is quite clear, it's use was justified.

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

This thread has jumped around in it's focus a few times. Yes it is releveant in the sense that someone died after the use of a taser. But, it is not relevant when discussing the decision to use it as it is quite clear, it's use was justified.

Yeah I agree 100% there. Although the issue still remains that some people are still (maybe) dying from this thing and that's a serious matter.

Originally Posted by MaxPower

Yeah I agree 100% there. Although the issue still remains that some people are still (maybe) dying from this thing and that's a serious matter.

And people can have negative reactions to OC spray and other forms of physical control. People don't just drop dead from being tasered.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by MaxPower

Yeah I agree 100% there. Although the issue still remains that some people are still (maybe) dying from this thing and that's a serious matter.

I am pretty sure for the most part...deaths that have occured because of the taser have been attributed to other factors..like drugs...etc...People who are tasered are usually in some sort of heighten state...the simple answer for public consumption is that i must be the taser...

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

And people can have negative reactions to OC spray and other forms of physical control. People don't just drop dead from being tasered.

I suppose the taser was introduced partly to avoid those negative reactions, not a bad idea. But now we have people who could be having negative effects to this as well. Right now, you don't know that the taser isn't responsible for killing anyone, just like I don't know that it is.

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I am pretty sure for the most part...deaths that have occured because of the taser have been attributed to other factors..like drugs...etc...People who are tasered are usually in some sort of heighten state...the simple answer for public consumption is that i must be the taser...

No offense here, but a statement like "I am pretty sure for the most part" from an anonymous person on the internet doesn't make me feel any better about this. People are dying, tasers *seem* to be a common element in the situations, I think the use of tasers deserves a second look.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by MaxPower

No offense here, but a statement like "I am pretty sure for the most part" from an anonymous person on the internet doesn't make me feel any better about this. People are dying, tasers *seem* to be a common element in the situations, I think the use of tasers deserves a second look.

Sure thats fine...let me rephrase that...All the reports i have read on the death of a person where a taser as been used has been contributed to other factors. If you dont want to research it and just go with the simple answer...than good for you

Originally Posted by MaxPower

I suppose the taser was introduced partly to avoid those negative reactions, not a bad idea. But now we have people who could be having negative effects to this as well. Right now, you don't know that the taser isn't responsible for killing anyone, just like I don't know that it is.

Actually, I will debate that. People do NOT drop dead after being tasered thus, the taser did not cause their death. Keep in mind it is a 'less lethal' device.

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Actually, I will debate that. People do NOT drop dead after being tasered thus, the taser did not cause their death. Keep in mind it is a 'less lethal' device.

Read my post. I never said drop dead. You know for a fact that a taser has never been a contributing factor in any way to someone's death?

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Sure thats fine...let me rephrase that...All the reports i have read on the death of a person where a taser as been used has been contributed to other factors. If you dont want to research it and just go with the simple answer...than good for you

Research is exactly what I want. Exactly. Research into why people may be dying from a less than lethal device. It's not my job and I do not have the resources to do it myself.

Sorry if I haven't read all the articles or papers out there, but I'm am curious, what are some of the other factors that the deaths are being attributed to?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by MaxPower

Research is exactly what I want. Exactly. Research into why people may be dying from a less than lethal device. It's not my job and I do not have the resources to do it myself.

Sorry if I haven't read all the articles or papers out there, but I'm am curious, what are some of the other factors that the deaths are being attributed to?

The fact that when someone dies...they generally have autopsies...and like i have said before...taser deaths are attributed so something other than the effect of the taser....that is research...the research states to this point that tasers dont kill..but research has been wrong in the past i will give you that

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Whoa Whoa. Why are you jumping all over him? Settle down. The poster never made any opinions either way, he simply posted the article that relates to the topic at hand. Which is a man dieing because he was tasered.

I felt that the post was not to add to the discussion, but as proof or evidence of police overstepping their bounds. Unneccessary at this point. The last time someone posted a story about police using a taser a couple pages back, there was a lovefest between two posters about how because of that, it's painfully obvious that the police are in the wrong.

I'm quelling that before it is allowed to surface. Perhaps my words were harsh, but I truly feel that it is a general sentiment of some posters.

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

The fact that when someone dies...they generally have autopsies...and like i have said before...taser deaths are attributed so something other than the effect of the taser....that is research...the research states to this point that tasers dont kill..but research has been wrong in the past i will give you that

OK, I don't know if you thought I was being sarcastic or not, I'm bad at the internet, but I was genuinely asking if you know offhand what some the factors are. I guess it's not paramount to my stance.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

The fact that when someone dies...they generally have autopsies...and like i have said before...taser deaths are attributed so something other than the effect of the taser....that is research...the research states to this point that tasers dont kill..but research has been wrong in the past i will give you that

Has the coroner's report in the original case been released yet? I'm still very interested to see the results.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by MaxPower

OK, I don't know if you thought I was being sarcastic or not, I'm bad at the internet, but I was genuinely asking if you know offhand what some the factors are. I guess it's not paramount to my stance.

According to news reports from Alberta's Edmonton Sun in Canada, a local medical examiner has stated that misconceptions and misinformation about police TASER devices are causing misguided speculation in excited delirium deaths. Excited delirium is a condition that causes victims to display extremely aggressive behavior and "superhuman" strength and often requires several people to control the affected individual. Most often excited delirium victims stop breathing and do not respond to resuscitation attempts.

Dr. Graeme Dowling of Edmonton's medical examiner's office stated that there are actually "no definitive cases where TASERs have actually killed anybody." Dowling also noted that because the electricity from a TASER device flows across the skin surface, as opposed to through internal organs, there is no effect on the heart. "The frustrating thing for us is these deaths occur and the immediate speculation is TASER," says Dowling.

To date, TASER systems have not been named in any in-custody death situation in Edmonton.

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