Man dies after being tasered in Vancouver Airport

[Dion]

Originally Posted by moon

If you are throwing computers and acting like a jackass in the airport and the cops surround you, who cares if you speak the language or not stop acting threatening and get on the ground.

How is some supposed to understand what the police are telling him if he doesn't understand the english language?

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by moon

I would say that if they want people to comply that overreaction would work better. I personally would listen to the cops a heck of a lot quicker if I thought I would receive a tasering or beatdown for any little rebelion. If I thought I would just get a lecture or repeat talking to I would be more likely to disobey or disregard their comments.

I am not pro-cop by any means but why does everyone seem to think that there is something wrong with listening to cops or obeying their commands.

Who cares if you know why the cop is telling you to put your hands behind your back, just do it. Ask after you are no longer a threat to the cop if you are still unsure. If you are throwing computers and acting like a jackass in the airport and the cops surround you, who cares if you speak the language or not stop acting threatening and get on the ground.

It may be severe that they died or were injured because of the tasering but ultimately it is their fault for failing to listen to the cops.

Like I said I may be crazy but I always have thought that listening and obeying the police was a lot more important than proving/arguing a point or generally not doing what they ask.

"Put your hands behind your back!!"

"Huh? wait, what? why?"

*zap*

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I'm just going to say what I have wanted to say all along...some dude got Tasered, big freaking deal. More people in this world need a good Taserin'.

Why don't we start with you

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Why don't we start with you

Originally Posted by Dion

Then why don't you head on down to your local police department and offer yourself up as a guniea pig for those in training to use tasers. I'm sure they'd appreciate your offer.

The different between me and people that I say deserve a tasering, is I am not out there blatantly breaking the law or disobeying police officers. People need to stop putting themselves in situations where the police are being called to a scene because of them.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Dion

How is some supposed to understand what the police are telling him if he doesn't understand the english language?

To me it was pretty obvious what was going on and you didn't need to understand english to understand the situation.

[Eagle Eye]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

The different between me and people that I say deserve a tasering, is I am not out there blatantly breaking the law or disobeying police officers. People need to stop putting themselves in situations where the police are being called to a scene because of them.

^^ding ding

[Dion]

Originally Posted by moon

To me it was pretty obvious what was going on and you didn't need to understand english to understand the situation.

To me it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

The guy came from a former Communist country.

Maybe the police act differently over there.

Maybe he doesn't understand our procedures when dealing with police.

Who's to say he didn't have a fear of polce and reacted accordingly?

Guess we'll agree to disagree on this issue.

[MaxPower]

Originally Posted by moon

I would say that if they want people to comply that overreaction would work better. I personally would listen to the cops a heck of a lot quicker if I thought I would receive a tasering or beatdown for any little rebelion. If I thought I would just get a lecture or repeat talking to I would be more likely to disobey or disregard their comments.

I am not pro-cop by any means but why does everyone seem to think that there is something wrong with listening to cops or obeying their commands.

Who cares if you know why the cop is telling you to put your hands behind your back, just do it. Ask after you are no longer a threat to the cop if you are still unsure. If you are throwing computers and acting like a jackass in the airport and the cops surround you, who cares if you speak the language or not stop acting threatening and get on the ground.

It may be severe that they died or were injured because of the tasering but ultimately it is their fault for failing to listen to the cops.

Like I said I may be crazy but I always have thought that listening and obeying the police was a lot more important than proving/arguing a point or generally not doing what they ask.

I have never said there's anything wrong with obeying an officer's instructions. If they ask for my license and registration, I give it to them. I listen to and obey every instruction they give, until my I feel my rights are being violated (which rarely happens). Am I a terrible person?

As for the overreacting, maybe it's just me but every time I hear a story of excessive force being used or someone's rights being trampled by the police (not saying that is or is not the case here), I get p!ssed off. My awareness of my rights are heightened that much more and I am far less likely to let anything slide. If standing up for myself results in a taserin', so be it, but rest assured the issue won't die there.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

The different between me and people that I say deserve a tasering, is I am not out there blatantly breaking the law or disobeying police officers. People need to stop putting themselves in situations where the police are being called to a scene because of them.

This issue here isn't so much with breaking a law but more to do with when a taser should be used, It's become an easy excuse to deal with a situation that can sometimes be dealt with in another way.

The fact is people are dying due to complications arising from the use of tasers. More investigation needs to be done as to why this is happening.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by MaxPower

I have never said there's anything wrong with obeying an officer's instructions. If they ask for my license and registration, I give it to them. I listen to and obey every instruction they give, until my I feel my rights are being violated (which rarely happens). Am I a terrible person?

As for the overreacting, maybe it's just me but every time I hear a story of excessive force being used or someone's rights being trampled by the police (not saying that is or is not the case here), I get p!ssed off. My awareness of my rights are heightened that much more and I am far less likely to let anything slide. If standing up for myself results in a taserin', so be it, but rest assured the issue won't die there.

If my rights are violated, I dont comply. I have been stopped on the street late at night when I am walking my dog(where they ask what i am doing, and I calmly tell them "I am minding my own biz thats what" or a passenger in a friends car before, where the cop has asked for my ID. In all cases I tell the officer, I dont need to produce anything for him due to my charter of rights(which I carry with me at all times). We all have rights, just need to know what they are.

I have been witness in many cases of cops abusing their false power they think they have at times. The key is to know your rights.

In the case of the polish man, he has no idea of the rights in this country. So for anyone to judge what was going through his mind at the time, is absurd. Like a previous poster mentioned, maybe the police in his country act differently. When there is a language barrier and a culture difference, everyone will act differently. From the evidence seen, the cops acted in a negligent way.

I hope that if it is proven they were wrong, the officers are prosecuted to the full extent of the law(prob involuntary manslaughter). Some criminals who commit crimes are sentenced and made an example of in the past. If they are guilty, make an example of them as well.

If they were not in the wrong, once all facts are presented, then go back to work. Until that time, they need to be investigated. There are good and bad apples in every organization/group, perhaps these are the bad ones for the RCMP.

[Eagle Eye]

Originally Posted by Dion

This issue here isn't so much with breaking a law but more to do with when a taser should be used, It's become an easy excuse to deal with a situation that can sometimes be dealt with in another way.

The fact is people are dying due to complications arising from the use of tasers. More investigation needs to be done as to why this is happening.

What other way is there? If they don't listen to basic commands and start walking away or become even a little be aggressive are they supposed to beat them with a club? Shoot them? If you dont listen to cops sorry you deserve to be tasered (I am sure there are instances where there are over zealous). Cops are killed even in simple things as stopping someone over a traffic violation, tasering people who do not listen to commands seems like the best way to handle it to me.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Eagle Eye

What other way is there? If they don't listen to basic commands and start walking away or become even a little be aggressive are they supposed to beat them with a club? Shoot them?

If you think tasering is the only way I doubt any other options i might say would change your mind.

If you dont listen to cops sorry you deserve to be tasered (I am sure there are instances where there are over zealous).

Not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. Agree to disagree.

Cops are killed even in simple things as stopping someone over a traffic violation, tasering people who do not listen to commands seems like the best way to handle it to me.

If someone pulls a gun then yeah, taser him.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Dion

If you think tasering is the only way I doubt any other options i might say would change your mind.



Not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. Agree to disagree.



If someone pulls a gun then yeah, taser him.

Still waiting for people to list the other options..none of the anti-taser gang has yet to come up with a workable solution...

lol...too late by that point...cop is shot...before he even gets his taser out

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Dion

If someone pulls a gun then yeah, taser him.

Disagree in a big way. If someone pulls a gun on a cop, the cop pulls his gun, not a Taser. Same thing with a knife.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Still waiting for people to list the other options..none of the anti-taser gang has yet to come up with a workable solution...

Would it change your opinions how they should be used?

lol...too late by that point...cop is shot...before he even gets his taser out

My bad.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

If my rights are violated, I dont comply. I have been stopped on the street late at night when I am walking my dog(where they ask what i am doing, and I calmly tell them "I am minding my own biz thats what" or a passenger in a friends car before, where the cop has asked for my ID. In all cases I tell the officer, I dont need to produce anything for him due to my charter of rights(which I carry with me at all times). We all have rights, just need to know what they are.

No, but you do need to tell them your name if they ask you your name.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

The different between me and people that I say deserve a tasering, is I am not out there blatantly breaking the law or disobeying police officers. People need to stop putting themselves in situations where the police are being called to a scene because of them.

What a black and white world you must live in. In the real world, there is different levels of breaking the law, different ways for police to react to them and different levels of punishment.
I guess in your world, every 13 year old who steels a candy bar should be tasered too. Who cares if they die, it's not you.

I'm guessing everyone on this board would be tasered by now in your world. Anyone who broke the law and drove over the speed limit, downloaded music illegally etc. Zap em all!!!

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

No, but you do need to tell them your name if they ask you your name.

According to the charter of rights, section 24, when walking;

1)you dont have to answer any questions as to your name and address when walking on the street and not committing a crime,
2)you dont have to justify what you are doing or where you are
3)you dont have to produce documentation of who you are, nor means on how you support yourself

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What a black and white world you must live in. In the real world, there is different levels of breaking the law, different ways for police to react to them and different levels of punishment.
I guess in your world, every 13 year old who steels a candy bar should be tasered too. Who cares if they die, it's not you.

I'm guessing everyone on this board would be tasered by now in your world. Anyone who broke the law and drove over the speed limit, downloaded music illegally etc. Zap em all!!!

That is all irrevelant..cops get killed in a situations..Are you old enough to remember the cop who was shot on memorial drive 10+ years ago after pulling someover for speeding? Police are trained to expect the unexpected and to look for certain signs...confrontation is a bad sign... not everyone who is confrontational is going to be a danger, but how the F is a cop suppose to know that? Read his freaking mind?

Again 2 concepts

1. Expect the unexpected
2. Assume the worst.

Its my experience you give cops attitude you get it back...you are nice..you get that back too...

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

According to the charter of rights, section 24, you dont have to answer any questions as to your name and address when walking on the street and not committing a crime.

you pullng that outta your ass

Originally Posted by 'section 24"

Anyone whose rights or freedoms, as guaranteed by this Charter, have been infringed or denied may apply to a court of competent jurisdiction to obtain such remedy as the court considers appropriate and just in the circumstances