Man dies after being tasered in Vancouver Airport

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

how do you know they didnt make a call in for an interpreter?

when they tried to calm him down he starting acting more erratic... they should just let him go crazy well they wait possibly hours for an interpreter?

don't think so.

It took the RCMP less than 25 seconds to taser the poor guy. The RCMP did squat in attempts to calm him down. Besides he wasn't going crazy when the RCMP entered the room - nor was he attacking them. They cornered him, he backed up and put his hands in the air. Bang! Off goes the Taser. Nothing warrented the excessive force they used. You can't tell that 4 RCMP officers couldn't tackle this guy to the ground.

Sure he fought after they tasered him. When 50,000 volts of electricty are going through your body you can't expect a person to lie still.

It also took the RCMP 10 minutes before they arrived on the scene. Plenty of time to call in an interpreter.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

wow, the guys on the criminals side in here are blinded by reality

The same could be said for those supporting the RCMP

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

wow, the guys on the criminals side in here are blinded by reality

Not quite sure who you're referring to, but if this guy really is a "criminal" then he's a criminal of the lowest possible order. Somehow I don't think a charge of causing a disturbance would have landed him much of a sentence, or much criminal stigma in the eyes of the population.

And I think you'll find that the popular opinion in Canada is overwhelmingly opposed to the RCMP's actions in this case. That's not something that's going to be limited to posters on here.

Originally Posted by Dion

They cornered him, he backed up and put his hands in the air. Bang! Off goes the Taser.

Sensationalize much?

Did you watch the same video I did?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

wow, the guys on the criminals side in here are blinded by reality

Laugh. "on the criminals side".

As for "blinded by reality", if I knew what that meant I might agree with you.

I watched the video and it appears in reality that those officers screwed up and the guy is dead, so I could possibly be blinded by that reality.

[return to the red]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

Although I wasn't looking forward to seeing that video, I really wanted to see it to judge for myself if the RCMP's actions were necessary. I have to say I'm saddened and dissapointed, in my mind there are many things the could have done besides taser the guy.

Like what? Taser is used before the Batton (sp), what would you have suggested that they do?

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

And I think you'll find that the popular opinion in Canada is overwhelmingly opposed to the RCMP's actions in this case. That's not something that's going to be limited to posters on here.

considering we have the worst justice system in the free world, I'm not surprised this event would cause such an uproar.

[Flames_Gimp]

lmao i'm done with this thread. i'm biting my tongue too much reading this so I better quit before I insult some of you. It's obviously burned in your brains that the cops were wrong and thats it. there is no getting through to you, even after watching the video.

There are probably hundreds of arrests performed the exact same way, but no one hears about it because 99% of the time the perp isn't killed or severely injured from a taser.

[Ford Prefect]

This post isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I don't get why some people, not just here but everywhere, insist on blindly defending police actions regardless of culpability. Four RCMP officers needed to taser a middle aged, bewildered foreigner ... and they needed to taser him twice? Puleeze. I read in the paper a few days ago that one of the witnesses overheard the four police officers saying they were going to taser the guy BEFORE they even arrived on scene. If that testimony is true, it was a premeditated decision and trying to talk to the guy or use other options wasn't even on the their agenda.

Those of you who feel compelled to blindly defend bad police actions, such as in this case and the protestor incident in Quebec this summer, you can flame me if you want. But I'm actually a police lover myself. I have two very good friends who are RCMP officers, three RCMP officers are in my hockey pool, and one of the best police officers I've had the privilege of knowing died on a barroom floor with a knife in his gut from trying to break up a bar fight. I am very sympathetic with the terrible conditions that police officers work under, and many of them perform truly heroic deeds on a daily basis. I also know of police officers who beat their wives, exploit their position of power for personal gain (including sexual favours), drive impaired, and commit the full spectrum of human failings. That's because they are human ... and as such some of them are good and some of them are bad. Blindly defending the bad ones is actually a disservice to the good ones because they tarnish the image of all police officers, good and bad alike. One of my RCMP buddies figures those four guys in Vancouver were just being lazy using the taser and that each of the four needs to grow a pair.

If people want to laud the police, start a thread and talk about the incidents where they do great stuff, like resolving the child abduction that happened last night in Drumheller in about three hours time. Those guys deserve medals.

[Burninator]

Well put Ford.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

This post isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I don't get why some people, not just here but everywhere, insist on blindly defending police actions regardless of culpability. Four RCMP officers needed to taser a middle aged, bewildered foreigner ... and they needed to taser him twice? Puleeze. I read in the paper a few days ago that one of the witnesses overheard the four police officers saying they were going to taser the guy BEFORE they even arrived on scene. If that testimony is true, it was a premeditated decision and trying to talk to the guy or use other options wasn't even on the their agenda.

Those of you who feel compelled to blindly defend bad police actions, such as in this case and the protestor incident in Quebec this summer, you can flame me if you want. But I'm actually a police lover myself. I have two very good friends who are RCMP officers, three RCMP officers are in my hockey pool, and one of the best police officers I've had the privilege of knowing died on a barroom floor with a knife in his gut from trying to break up a bar fight. I am very sympathetic with the terrible conditions that police officers work under, and many of them perform truly heroic deeds on a daily basis. I also know of police officers who beat their wives, exploit their position of power for personal gain (including sexual favours), drive impaired, and commit the full spectrum of human failings. That's because they are human ... and as such some of them are good and some of them are bad. Blindly defending the bad ones is actually a disservice to the good ones because they tarnish the image of all police officers, good and bad alike. One of my RCMP buddies figures those four guys in Vancouver were just being lazy using the taser and that each of the four needs to grow a pair.

If people want to laud the police, start a thread and talk about the incidents where they do great stuff, like resolving the child abduction that happened last night in Drumheller in about three hours time. Those guys deserve medals.

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[Dion]

Brilliant post Ford!

[ricosuave]

Posted on another board, but it sums up what I think too...

How are the police expected to handle tourists during the Olympics when they can’t even handle one confused traveler? I hope they make an example out of these officers.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

lmao i'm done with this thread. i'm biting my tongue too much reading this so I better quit before I insult some of you. It's obviously burned in your brains that the cops were wrong and thats it. there is no getting through to you, even after watching the video.

There are probably hundreds of arrests performed the exact same way, but no one hears about it because 99% of the time the perp isn't killed or severely injured from a taser.

You seem to think the police are infallible and can do no wrong. To me that's pretty scary. God forbid anyone thinks they might be guilty.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

This post isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I don't get why some people, not just here but everywhere, insist on blindly defending police actions regardless of culpability. Four RCMP officers needed to taser a middle aged, bewildered foreigner ... and they needed to taser him twice? Puleeze. I read in the paper a few days ago that one of the witnesses overheard the four police officers saying they were going to taser the guy BEFORE they even arrived on scene. If that testimony is true, it was a premeditated decision and trying to talk to the guy or use other options wasn't even on the their agenda.

Those of you who feel compelled to blindly defend bad police actions, such as in this case and the protestor incident in Quebec this summer, you can flame me if you want. But I'm actually a police lover myself. I have two very good friends who are RCMP officers, three RCMP officers are in my hockey pool, and one of the best police officers I've had the privilege of knowing died on a barroom floor with a knife in his gut from trying to break up a bar fight. I am very sympathetic with the terrible conditions that police officers work under, and many of them perform truly heroic deeds on a daily basis. I also know of police officers who beat their wives, exploit their position of power for personal gain (including sexual favours), drive impaired, and commit the full spectrum of human failings. That's because they are human ... and as such some of them are good and some of them are bad. Blindly defending the bad ones is actually a disservice to the good ones because they tarnish the image of all police officers, good and bad alike. One of my RCMP buddies figures those four guys in Vancouver were just being lazy using the taser and that each of the four needs to grow a pair.

If people want to laud the police, start a thread and talk about the incidents where they do great stuff, like resolving the child abduction that happened last night in Drumheller in about three hours time. Those guys deserve medals.

I'm with you.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

This post isn't directed at anyone in particular, but I don't get why some people, not just here but everywhere, insist on blindly defending police actions regardless of culpability.

Blindly? We've all seen the video...

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Dion

You seem to think the police are infallible and can do no wrong. To me that's pretty scary. God forbid anyone thinks they might be guilty.

I've seen the video and I don't think they did any wrong.

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

I read in the paper a few days ago that one of the witnesses overheard the four police officers saying they were going to taser the guy BEFORE they even arrived on scene.

It must be true if you read it in the newspaper. I am sure no one in any other profession discusses a plan of action before they embark on something.

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

Those of you who feel compelled to blindly defend bad police actions, such as in this case

Realizing that this painful thread is now 13 pages long, maybe read a few more of the educated posts at least the ones discussing training, use of force models, etc. I don' think any of them are blind.

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

One of my RCMP buddies figures those four guys in Vancouver were just being lazy using the taser and that each of the four needs to grow a pair.

Because thats what this is about- having a big pair of balls and running right in and cracking skulls. I would suggest your RCMP buddy might be one of the problem children you were talking about.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

I've seen the video and I don't think they did any wrong.

You think they did no wrong - fair enough - I respect that. Then why did you jump on the rest of us for having another opinion?

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

... I would suggest your RCMP buddy might be one of the problem children you were talking about.

I'll be sure to pass your concerns along to her.