Adults drive 14-year-old to suicide by harassing her on MySpace

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I'd say that talking about it isn't much different from trying. I mean, who actually wants to go on record as having contemplated suicide unless they actually were considering it?

The other mom is a total and complete failure as a role model. Not only participates (perhaps instigated) the fake account, but afterward - after getting "caught" - still has the audacity to try to half @ss justify it.

Let alone asking the grieving family to store a Christmas present for them.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by 4X4

What is Anon at 4chan? Please tell me it is an anonymous guy with 4 chainsaws.

No, it's pretty much the idea of anonymity on the internet taken to the new extreme. Almost everyone on 4chan posts under the user name Anonymous so you never know how many people are actually posting. "Anonymous does not forgive. Anonymous does not know remorse." They tend to thrive when given a random address or e-mail, just harassing the person.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I'd say that talking about it isn't much different from trying. I mean, who actually wants to go on record as having contemplated suicide unless they actually were considering it?

I disagree. Talking about it is a cry for help. That isn't the same mentality that goes with actually trying.

The other mom is a total and complete failure as a role model. Not only participates (perhaps instigated) the fake account, but afterward - after getting "caught" - still has the audacity to try to half @ss justify it.

I suppose it is easier to run from a problem than it is to accept responsibility for it. With their names and addresses on the net now, their lives are going to be a living hell. I can't imagine there will be much in the way of sympathy for whatever ills befall them as a result of this.

[Eastern Girl]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

I disagree. Talking about it is a cry for help. That isn't the same mentality that goes with actually trying.

This is what I thought as well. Most that commit suicide don't talk about it prior because they don't want to be stopped. Talking about it was her way of trying to get help. That's why I see talking about it and trying it as two different things.

[foofighter15]

That truly is a pretty sad story.
It disgusts me that an adult was involved in the whole thing.
And as much as I hate myspace, you can't blame it. I know some people will try to, but I really don't see how you can.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Let alone asking the grieving family to store a Christmas present for them.

I had trouble with the names and time table...did she ask them to store the foosball table after the girl killed herself?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

I disagree. Talking about it is a cry for help. That isn't the same mentality that goes with actually trying.

The mentality is the same. The cry for help is a stage in the ultimate goal of depression. Family and friends who are lucky enough to recognise the cry for help are able to save the person. Consider this for example:

Suicide is not a matter of choice.The profound depression that motivates most suicides is a disease. This disease causes a level of pain so profound that it twists one’s ability to assess risk, to make good choices, to maintain a sense of future possibilities. When people act out of this depression, they are not exercising free choice. They are falling victim to a disease. This disease is not about logic or self interest. It is about an immediate desire to be dead.

[Resolute 14]

Fair enough, though coming out and talking about suicide is about as blatant as you can get in the cry for help stage. More often than not, the signs are too subtle for loved ones to catch.

IMO, a cry for help is a different stage of the process. At that point, the person suffering still has some kind of hope, however faint. The attempt is usually made when all hope is lost. It is a change in mentality, imo.

[foofighter15]

IMO talking about suicide isn't necessarily a cry for help. I'm not trying to be funny here, and I know I've picked on them in the past but.
Look at emo kids. 99% of them are not depressed, but they all pretend to be. They might say it, but its mostly to get mommy and daddy to cave and buy them that awesome new black hoody or just purely because they are bored and want to watch their parents scramble

[Eastern Girl]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

IMO talking about suicide isn't necessarily a cry for help. I'm not trying to be funny here, and I know I've picked on them in the past but.
Look at emo kids. 99% of them are not depressed, but they all pretend to be. They might say it, but its mostly to get mommy and daddy to cave and buy them that awesome new black hoody or just purely because they are bored and want to watch their parents scramble

In this case, we aren't talking about an "emo kid." This girl was talking about suicide at a young age. She was depressed. Doesn't seem like she was faking it to get her parents to buy her things, given the fact that she eventually did commit suicide.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Fair enough, though coming out and talking about suicide is about as blatant as you can get in the cry for help stage. More often than not, the signs are too subtle for loved ones to catch.

Alot don't talk about it. Mood changes and giving away their prized posessions to others is another way they cry for help.

IMO, a cry for help is a different stage of the process. At that point, the person suffering still has some kind of hope, however faint. The attempt is usually made when all hope is lost. It is a change in mentality, imo.

Of course there's the stage where's still hope. More often than not it's an intervetion from an outside party that reverses the course of direction. That intervention could be in a form of medication or counselling.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by Eastern Girl

In this case, we aren't talking about an "emo kid." This girl was talking about suicide at a young age. She was depressed. Doesn't seem like she was faking it to get her parents to buy her things, given the fact that she eventually did commit suicide.

I do agree that this situation is different then the average emo kid.
However I do feel that at the age you are in grade 3 she had no clue what she was actually saying, yes she probably knew what suicide was, but do you know what I mean?
From what I gathered from the article, this girl was either the oldest or only child in her family, and when one of those types of child says they are going to kill themselves parents freak.
I can very easily see the daughter being upset about something and just yelling "Yeah? Maybe I'll go kill myself!" or something along those lines.
I know my little cousin yelled that at me once.

[Resolute 14]

If it was enough to get her in therapy and on medication, I doubt that the comment she made in grade three was a simple temper tantrum.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

If it was enough to get her in therapy and on medication, I doubt that the comment she made in grade three was a simple temper tantrum.

I seriously don't want to derail the thread, but therapy and medication are in vogue these days, incase you haven't noticed. I'm starting to really wonder whether it is having the opposite effect.
Some of you may remember a thread I posted in spring regarding a person close to me that was hooked on aderrol. The crap was originally and continually prescribed by a doctor. It ended up causing alot more problems than it fixed.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

I had trouble with the names and time table...did she ask them to store the foosball table after the girl killed herself?

It doesn't explicitly say.

It says the family went to the other girl's birthday party, but had to leave. Then they went to the other Father's 50th birthday, then it mentions the Christmas present which implies (but doesn't say) that they were asked to story the gift at that point. Although they found out what happened 6 weeks after the death and at that point destroyed the table, so for all that to happen within 6 weeks seems pretty quick.

[Resolute 14]

Update, the woman who drove this girl to suicide talks a bit... about the harrassment she suffered as a result.

http://stcharlesjournal.stltoday.com...okin_1.ii1.txt

[CaptainCrunch]

I feel sorry for the woman that inherited that phone number. I still think that the womn in the interview who came up with the plan that killed the girl, scum of the earth, who should be shown no mercy until she dives off of a cliff onto a bed of dull nails.

[Locke]

Turnabout is fair play.

I think if you look in your closet you might find a good strong rope, now go find yourself a rickety footstool and a sturdy beam.

[Flashpoint]

Her suffering hopefully continues for the duration of her life. It is the least she deserves for helping to kill a child. She belongs with the pedophiles and abusers who beat children. No sympathy here whatsoever.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Her suffering hopefully continues for the duration of her life. It is the least she deserves for helping to kill a child. She belongs with the pedophiles and abusers who beat children. No sympathy here whatsoever.

My feelings exactly!