For those of us who think it is ok to speed.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Bad driving kills, but speed does as well. Yes MOST accidents are caused by driver error.

Fixed.

[kevman]

Are any accidents cause by speed???

If you're going too fast for the conditions and lose control I would attribute that to driver error... Speed defiantly turns some serious accidents into fatal accidents but it's the poor driving skills and not speed that causes said accidents.

[Dion]

[redforever]

I can't believe it!!! I keep checking for an "enlightening" post in this thresad by 4x4, NOTHING?!?!

[MacDougalbry]

Originally Posted by kevman

Are any accidents cause by speed???

If you're going too fast for the conditions and lose control I would attribute that to driver error... Speed defiantly turns some serious accidents into fatal accidents but it's the poor driving skills and not speed that causes said accidents.

It is also much easier to lose control of a vehicle when you are speeding. I drove home from Banff tonight. Even though I had the cruise set to 120, I kept getting passed constantly by huge Dodge and Ford trucks going 160Kph. In a pig of a vehicle like that, if you need to swerve to avoid wildlife (or whatever) you are toast.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by MacDougalbry

I kept getting passed constantly by huge Dodge and Ford trucks going 160Kph. In a pig of a vehicle like that, if you need to swerve to avoid wildlife (or whatever) you are toast.

swerve?? pfft. Scrape em off next time you stop for gas, so likely at the next gas station.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by MacDougalbry

It is also much easier to lose control of a vehicle when you are speeding. I drove home from Banff tonight. Even though I had the cruise set to 120, I kept getting passed constantly by huge Dodge and Ford trucks going 160Kph. In a pig of a vehicle like that, if you need to swerve to avoid wildlife (or whatever) you are toast.

I stand by my point... if it's easier to lose control of a vehicle when you are speeding than you need to take responsibility for your actions and it's driver error! "Driving too fast for the conditions" to me would be driver error would it not?

[stang]

Originally Posted by MacDougalbry

It is also much easier to lose control of a vehicle when you are speeding. I drove home from Banff tonight. Even though I had the cruise set to 120, I kept getting passed constantly by huge Dodge and Ford trucks going 160Kph. In a pig of a vehicle like that, if you need to swerve to avoid wildlife (or whatever) you are toast.

Haha Even when I am doing 110 if anything jumps out in front of me I am not swerving. I have pics of a dog I hit if you dont believe me....

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by kevman

I stand by my point... if it's easier to lose control of a vehicle when you are speeding than you need to take responsibility for your actions and it's driver error! "Driving too fast for the conditions" to me would be driver error would it not?

The "trigger" of a collision may be driver error. Speeding is rarely a trigger. It is usually driver distraction, following too close, or making unsafe turns.

But the severity of a collision is directly related to the speed.

Take the speed out of the equation and most collisions with today's ultra-safe vehicle are surviveable. Yet we still have 300-400 deaths EVERY YEAR on Alberta's roads.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

This belief kills people daily.

Speed Kills. Bad driving kills, but speed does as well. Yes some accidents are caused by driver error, but many are made worse or created all on their own because of speed.

And everyone always thinks it's the other guy that is an idiot.

There is no such thing as an accident. Every collision can be attributed to driver error. Cars don't just start up and start crashing into each other on their own.

[psicodude]

I would like to see the cold, hard facts about how many accidents were actually caused by a driver going 20 KM's over the limit. I bet it's under 2%. People running yellow lights or stops signs, people switching lanes without looking, and read end accidents probably make up the vast majority.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by MacDougalbry

It is also much easier to lose control of a vehicle when you are speeding. I drove home from Banff tonight. Even though I had the cruise set to 120, I kept getting passed constantly by huge Dodge and Ford trucks going 160Kph. In a pig of a vehicle like that, if you need to swerve to avoid wildlife (or whatever) you are toast.

I also drove back from Banff tonight, well Kelowna actually, had the cruise pegged at about 125 so maybe i passed you

For me for the most part i don't care about people speeding, as long as they que up like everyone else and wait til its safe to pass. probably 99% of the speeders fit in this category and you would rarely take notice of them. It's the 1% of speeding donkeys drivers(ty phil hellmuth) out on the roads which pisses everyone else off at the speeders. The type who are cutting in and out of traffic, making unsafe passes, undertaking(unless they really deserve it) On our trip today of the 100s of cars who sped with/passed us there were 2 of these donkeys.

First one, hereby known as stupid broad, came up on me driving probably between 140-150 in her stupid POS Echo, the very first thing she does is throw on her left blinker and starts sticking her nose out over the double solid lines trying to get past. 3 or 4 times she starts to pass and realizes she has no chance in hell of getting by in her Echo so slams on the breaks to get back in line. Of course as soon as she's in line she starts weaving back and forth. Finally we come to a passing lane and she boots it by everyone and thats the last we see of her for awhile.

Second one, hereby known as dumb ass, comes up on us in his stupid POS Civic(80s) as we're coming down from the Rogers Pass behind a gravel truck(snowed there this weekend) into Golden. I notice as soon as he gets around the guy behind me he's a donkey. Almost the entire time he's behind he's riding on the center line spewing up so much gravel on the guy behind me it's ridiculous. Finally he gets around me and pulls up right behind a semi, riding the semis ass and spraying rock all over the place from riding the line. I guess the semi finally got pissed off at this guy riding his ass because when we came to the next place the guy could pass at the semi slid over to the left on to the center stripe and the dumb asses car disappeared in a cloud of gravel. After about 10 seconds of this the semi slids back over and the guy boots it by him, the sander and a moving van all at once staying on the wrong side of the road through a corner.

Anyways about 5 clicks further down the road we end up slowing way down. I'm still behind the semi so don't really see whats going on, then I see some cop lights and someones pulled over. I start laughing because i assumed it was dumb ass booting it down the road, however, as we got closer we could clearly see it was not him. It must have been his lucky day because stupid broad(from above), is the lucky one who took the ticket from him, the Fiance and myself were howling in laughter at her getting whats coming to her.

Fast forward 2 hours, just outside of Banff, dumb ass pulls up behind me again, must have made a pit stop in Golden or something. Anyways the same antics get repeated and we finally reach the divided highway and he's off weaving through traffic til he gets some open road, then boots it.

About 5 clicks up the road, once again there is the police lights flashing, sure enough, there is dumb ass, pulled over on the side of the road pocketing what i am sure was a hefty fine. This of course triggers another round of laughter from us. Anyways long story short, it was just nice to see that Karma was being a b**** out there tonight.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Barnes

There is no such thing as an accident. Every collision can be attributed to driver error. Cars don't just start up and start crashing into each other on their own.

A friend suffered a flat tire due to a nail on the highway which caused an minor accident. I was riding in another car when the heating core popped in the middle of summer, almost instantly the car was filled with a impermiable fog, didn't cause a accident but very well could have. Saw a accident on deerfoot this summer where a ladder had fallen onto the road around a blind curve, unfortunately the car infront of us had no where to go because there was someone beside them and they ended up clipping the ladder which at that speed caused quite extensive damage on the front end.

Still think all accidents are driver error??? While I think it's fair to say most accidents are caused by drive error, I don't think it's fair to say all are. s*** happens sometimes.

[Cowboy89]

We should fata any more threads about speeding or driving. I'm sick of hearing the usual people whining about either their right to speed or the other side that thinks its okay to do equally unsafe things to try and take the law into their own hands by slowing people down in the left hand lane. These points have been hammered on endlessly already in many other threads.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by stang

Haha Even when I am doing 110 if anything jumps out in front of me I am not swerving. I have pics of a dog I hit if you dont believe me....

Gross.

You are gonna have a problem when you don't swerve and there is a moose or elk on the road. They don't give much((

[Bill Bumface]

To clear up some misconceptions on governors, the reason Ken's car is governed at 170km/h is because the OEM tires on his vehicle are S rated, and only good to 180km/h.

My car comes with Y rated tires (sometimes called ZR) which are good to 300km/h. Unfortunately, I'm not rich enough to own a car that can go that fast, so my car has no governor, as it can't overcome wind resistance once it hits 235km/h.

Governors are there to protect manufacturers from lawsuits filed by people who drive 200km/h on tires only rated to 180km/h and have a blowout and get injured.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by redforever

Gross.

You are gonna have a problem when you don't swerve and there is a moose or elk on the road. They don't give much((

Years ago my parents found out the hard way when a bear ran out onto the highway. Caved in the front passenger side, bounced off, and ran off into the ditch.

[Dr. Evil]

Gotta love the "speed doesn't kill, bad driving kills" pathetic argument. Speeding IS bad driving. Period. Get over yourselves and admit you are a bad driver.

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by Dr. Evil

Gotta love the "speed doesn't kill, bad driving kills" pathetic argument. Speeding IS bad driving. Period. Get over yourselves and admit you are a bad driver.

Can you back that up with stats? Or is this just your pathetic argument?

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Dr. Evil

Gotta love the "speed doesn't kill, bad driving kills" pathetic argument. Speeding IS bad driving. Period. Get over yourselves and admit you are a bad driver.

You know the funny thing, very few people don't speed. I am quite amazed at the number of people here who get all up in arms about it like yourself. Are you saying you "NEVER" speed?

According to this study

http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News...c=n111111A.xml

over 80% of Canadians do, and thats only those who admit to it, researchers suggested the actual number was higher.

Those drivers believe they are technically speeding according to the rule of law, the report concludes, but not in a way that endangers either themselves or others - even though they are quick to condemn other speeders as dangerous.

So are you one of the few drivers who actually never speed? or are you one of the hypocrits.

I'm a speeder, usually float around 10 over the limit on most roads, except playground/school zones where i do 30 and on the highways where i do 15-20 over depending on how fast the rest of traffic is going.