New Cowboys a no-go

[soulchoice]

Come on now guys, the only reason why club districts failed in calgary is because the city was not wise enough to set up police patrols on the street to monitor the area. They are and always have been too busy trying to reap the rewards of traffic violations. It is only now the chief of police has been smart enough to make a change. He has mandated increased patrols of cops near clubs, just sitting in the car watching, which has helped.

Calgary police force has always been a wait and react first with respect to club areas. Wait till something happens, then send the force, whereas the proper way is to have a presence on the street, to deter.

This is something every city does which has club areas. Every major city usually has a club district, (Toronto - Richmond club dist, Montreal - Saint Laurent, Van - Granville, etc) and we in Calgary should be no different. Club districts can work and be successful as long as we have a police presence on the street. You will always see a police car/presence just sitting on the club district street in the other cities.

Some say it doesnt add to culture in the city, well clubs have a different demographic than a lounge and there is always a market for both. So to say that the only kind of establishment needed is a fine dining/lounge is being small minded. Just because some of us dont frequent clubs on a regular basis, doesnt mean there is not a need for it. I dont frequent clubs like i used to when I was 20, but nonetheless there are tons of people that do.

If you dont like clubs, dont go. Pretty simple. The reality is, they are always going to be wanted and needed in any city. It does add to a vibrant core, as there are usually people still on the streets when going from establishment to establishment. Heck, strip clubs dont add much to society either, but will always be needed and wanted. Not everything in our world needs to add to society, try letting loose and having some fun or not get angry or opinionated when others want to party at clubs, etc.

Enough with the meathead stuff though, just because someone is a jock/bully/popular in high school doesnt equate to him being at blockbuster now. That is just narrow minded. Why worry bout what happened in high school? Sounds like some unresovled issues to me.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Come on now guys, the only reason why club districts failed in calgary is because the city was not wise enough to set up police patrols on the street to monitor the area.

Praise Kipper! An ally in this thread!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Glad I can help. Here's some more Civic lessons for you.

Last two times that they tried this district mold I am talking about how many districts did they try out. Just the club district, and also, now this is my key point, last times they tried this, was the City in the middle of its largest growth spurt ever? I didn't think so.
I lived in, and visited many major cities in my short life, and when you see it successful as many times as I have, you realize that it takes proper planning at the proper time.
On that note, I never once said make every bar a cowboys like bar. Even meatheads need their diversity.

Well that's your key point now, is it? Well thanks for finally getting to that. I thought your main point was "Cowboys has to go somewhere" and then "there has to be a club district" but now it's "they haven't tried a club district before during the big boom".

First of all, planning this kind of "district" in the middle of the biggest boom of them all (so far) doesn't sound like the best idea to me. Chances are the boom will be over before the whole "district" idea is off the drawing board, but at least will have spent a lot of money on a concept that has failed in the past so potential future meatheads don't have to wait in line at Coyotes.

Secondly, comparing Calgary to Whistler or Chicago seems a little odd. Whistler is a big ski resort. Chicago had about the same population Calgary does now in 1890. I think our priorities and city planning (if it exists) are quite different.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Table 5

chunky turbosluts.

Brilliant!

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Well that's your key point now, is it? Well thanks for finally getting to that. I thought your main point was "Cowboys has to go somewhere" and then "there has to be a club district" but now it's "they haven't tried a club district before during the big boom".

First of all, planning this kind of "district" in the middle of the biggest boom of them all (so far) doesn't sound like the best idea to me. Chances are the boom will be over before the whole "district" idea is off the drawing board, but at least will have spent a lot of money on a concept that has failed in the past so potential future meatheads don't have to wait in line at Coyotes.

Secondly, comparing Calgary to Whistler or Chicago seems a little odd. Whistler is a big ski resort. Chicago had about the same population Calgary does now in 1890. I think our priorities and city planning (if it exists) are quite different.

you are taking this way to personally man. My key point that i mentioned, was my key point within that post...not hard to figure out, but if that's the case I'll make sure to explain every detail to the finest point to make sure you in fact can figure it out.

I am purposefully planning this district thing in the biggest boom of them all so that as people move here they will be able to find places that suit them better

I never said this would be an over night operation, however if it was clear that a certain area was becoming what the plan for it to become then people would buy there...kinda like how people are buying condos around the stampede becuase it is becoming more and more clear that that is going to be the area for people who want to live downtown to live and is slowly becoming more and more trendy.

and you said that you "think our priorities and city planning (if it exists) are quite different." HA! You have shown no signs of intelligent ideas for how the city should handle this. All you've done is argue...and not a very good job of it either

[smithtofuhr86]

Where will Kipper and Dion hang out now?? Anyways, I was at Cowboys about 6 years ago after a Flames game on a Thursday the Avs were in town and then off to a game against Edmonton two nights later. We ran into some Avs at the club. Anyways after the night was over for us we went to go get a hot dog and were in line behind some of the Avs, they left and the vender was in a awfully good mood and told us that Rob Blake had asked him if he had change for a $50 bill, the vender said no i'm soory I don't. Long story short Blake ended up paying $50 U.S. for a hot dog! The vender was nice enough to give him extra bacon bits!! I'm sure we all have stories from running into people at Cowboys, we once did a shot with Steve Smith and Rick Tabaracci. Also during the Olympic hockey summer skate here in the summer of 2001 we ran into Lindros, Ryan Smyth, Eric Brewer, Paul Kariya and Ed Belfour (surprise surpise) at Cowboys....great guys. That geeky media dude James Cybuslki from the score at the time now he works for TSN was leeching on the the players and pretending to be there buddies, they wanted him to go away. Lindros asked us to take him (Cybulski) with us after we left and drop him off in the roughest part of the city!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

you are taking this way to personally man. My key point that i mentioned, was my key point within that post...not hard to figure out, but if that's the case I'll make sure to explain every detail to the finest point to make sure you in fact can figure it out.

I am purposefully planning this district thing in the biggest boom of them all so that as people move here they will be able to find places that suit them better

I never said this would be an over night operation, however if it was clear that a certain area was becoming what the plan for it to become then people would buy there...kinda like how people are buying condos around the stampede becuase it is becoming more and more clear that that is going to be the area for people who want to live downtown to live and is slowly becoming more and more trendy.

and you said that you "think our priorities and city planning (if it exists) are quite different." HA! You have shown no signs of intelligent ideas for how the city should handle this. All you've done is argue...and not a very good job of it either

Ha ha ha. You've told me I'm nuts, I can't read and I have no intelligent ideas. I'm not really taking it personally, honest, but you are bringing the insults pretty fast and furious.

My intelligent idea how the city should handle "this" which originally was a place for Cowboys (although you have turned it into a much bigger project that you are already "purposefully planning") is that they should handle Cowboys like any other place. Put it where it belongs -- in the sticks or on Macleod Trail. Let the apes get run over instead of fall into the river. Don't put it in the middle of a swank residential area like Eau Claire.

Your intelligent idea is to build some sort of megaplex of goofbars. Brilliant. And do it in the middle of the boom so people have a place to go -- that is real foresight. You do know what comes after the boom, don't you?

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Ha ha ha. You've told me I'm nuts, I can't read and I have no intelligent ideas. I'm not really taking it personally, honest, but you are bringing the insults pretty fast and furious.

My intelligent idea how the city should handle "this" which originally was a place for Cowboys (although you have turned it into a much bigger project that you are already "purposefully planning") is that they should handle Cowboys like any other place. Put it where it belongs -- in the sticks or on Macleod Trail. Let the apes get run over instead of fall into the river. Don't put it in the middle of a swank residential area like Eau Claire.

Your intelligent idea is to build some sort of megaplex of goofbars. Brilliant. And do it in the middle of the boom so people have a place to go -- that is real foresight. You do know what comes after the boom, don't you?

Yes I know what comes after a boom, but I don't foresee there being a huge fallout after this one. I think it'll slowly calm down and go at a regular pace again. There is to much oil here.
And when I called you nuts I didn't mean it in a rude way.

But I'm not saying have a mega complex. I'm saying do something like 4th street in Austin Texas, or a part of Iowa City that I can't remember where all the bars are in the same area (and in Iowa City you can get a bracelet and bar hop with in one companies chain of places...its freaking sweet)
Like say we took Stephan Ave and made it "the club district" you can easily close down the road to traffic after 9 on the weekend and there can be a police force in one area making sure everything is ok.
People can go from bar to bar (like Iowa City) and even hit up Flames Central.

This is exactly why Red Mile happened. A) it was close to the dome, and B) there are alot of trendy places there including Tequila and I think if Cowboys got onto 17th Ave, and maybe another club got in there too, that would be exactly what I'm talking about.

A trendy area with resturants during the day, a bunch of bars (morgans, the ship, Melrose, Yardhouse) and then there would be a couple clubs as well.

It doesn't have to be a dirty grungy thing.