New Cowboys a no-go

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by peter12

I wouldn't really say Whistler's downtown has any culture... just a place where you can get an ST(I) and maybe some cheap drugs.

LOL that is how you look see Whistler? Well I think that explains everything...

Some of the people in the thread have made some beauty comments, these meatheadeds didn't happen to be the ones to pick on you in high school were they?

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Some of the people in the thread have made some beauty comments, these meatheadeds didn't happen to be the ones to pick on you in high school were they?

My thoughts exactly.

And I also like how we have people ripping these guys apart when in reality we are all hear because we all like a team of meatheads.

I canada, it's safe to say that the meatheads at the bars are.....HOCKEY BOYS! what a shocker I know.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by HOOT

LOL that is how you look see Whistler? Well I think that explains everything...

Some of the people in the thread have made some beauty comments, these meatheadeds didn't happen to be the ones to pick on you in high school were they?

Well, besides the skiing, that's pretty much how I "look see" Whistler. I just don't think bad music, booze, and broads with silicone breasts have much to do with culture.

[calculoso]

I love how it is always the same 'Cowboys haters' who venture into these threads and bash the place.

There is obviously a large demand for the place. If you don't like it, don't go. It's pretty simple.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Some of the people in the thread have made some beauty comments, these meatheadeds didn't happen to be the ones to pick on you in high school were they?

yeah, that's how life works. they get to control things till the age of 18. after that, we take over, and they control the till at blockbuster.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

If all the bars were in a more centralized spot things would go alot smoother.

Calgary's tried this twice and it's failed miserably. Trouble seems to need critical mass before it gets really out of control and that's what you seem to get when you put a bunch of places next to each other (see Oylaz fans + Whyte Ave). You're not young enough to remember Electric Ave, but you probably remember 1st SW's festering cesspool featuring NYLA, the Taz, and the Cherry Lounge. I used to live around the corner around from that and it was always such a treat to dodge the yellow crime scene tape on the way to work everyday. If 1st SW is an example of what you guys deem desirable - keep it.

I think the big problem is the inevitable rise and fall of your typical club lifecycle. Starts out great, and as other bigger and better clubs open up it slips to ghetto status real quick, and stinks up an area real quick.

I do see your argument and agree that there's got to be somewhere a 'club district' can be setup downtown (like the lots south of 9th Ave I keep saying). It's not next to houses and hotels though....

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

I think the big problem is the inevitable rise and fall of your typical club lifecycle. Starts out great, and as other bigger and better clubs open up it slips to ghetto status real quick, and stinks up an area real quick.

I do see your argument and agree that there's got to be somewhere a 'club district' can be setup downtown (like the lots south of 9th Ave I keep saying). It's not next to houses and hotels though....

I think I'm to young or out of touch for the 1st SW fiasco, but I do know about Electric ave. However.
Some excellent points for sure.
With the lifecycle thing, that's one reason to keep them all in the same spot. Think anytime you've gone to Coyotes and there has been a line. What do you do? You wait, there is nothing else within walking distance. If there were say three or four other good clubs within a block or two then you'd be able to go to one with a shorter line and that way each club will still bring in numbers.
And the real challenge with this kind of area would indeed be keeping it from getting dangerous and unsafe(the ghetto). If everyone is always there because there are no other clubs in the city(since this is the only place they can be) it will be maintained alot more, and also the police presence will be stronger due to everyone being down there.

My only issue with 9th ave is its not the nicest spot/the train track are there so you know some dumbass is going to get hit by a train, and parking is already scarce in downtown. Otherwise its great cause its within walking distance to the C-train.

Personally I think if you are going to do this club district thing like I suggest it would have to be somewhere like Stephan or 17th because no one wants to go to a bad area of town and it needs to be very accessible to public transit to promote not driving

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Table 5

yeah, that's how life works. they get to control things till the age of 18. after that, we take over, and they control the till at blockbuster.

Priceless! You are now stereotyping a group that you probably hated for stereotyping you in highschool....maybe if you weren't so full of yourself now you would realize that these kids at the time, were just that, being stupid kids and you would probably get along with about 90% of them now.

I get your POV but why hate someone so much still, from something that happened in school.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Are you guys nuts? It has so much to do with Urbanzing downtown. Take Whistler for example (yes I know its a party town and all that) but the downtown area they have is something that Calgary needs too. Its the place to go, and Calgary needs that. If all the bars were in a more centralized spot things would go alot smoother.
I'm not saying mix everything up and have everything in one spot, but I'm saying have different sections of downtown be different things.
S.E. corner of downtown by the stampede is becoming the area where condo's are going up. So continue to allow that to be a living area. Then pick a spot where a bunch of bars can go. And a spot where a bunch of nicer restaurants can go.

I don't see why everyone is tearing apart the meatheads in this thread. We've all been drunk, and we've all been that age (i currently am that age, and probably drunk) but my point is
Cowboys is going to find a spot, and no matter where it is, someone is going to say it is to close to where they live.

Great start.

Look, having a bar that attracts losers from all over Southern Alberta to come on down and get in a fight and maybe get laid or maybe both is not "urbanization". Hell, it's probably closer to "ghettoization" of the few blocks surrounding it. Normal people won't want to go there or live near there.

The goal is to get more people to live downtown. Do you think having this nuthouse there would further that goal?

There is a long and storied history of meathead bars thriving well out of the downtown core. I'm sure this one can do the same.

If we want people to actually live downtown (which I'm sure very little of the

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Great start.

Look, having a bar that attracts losers from all over Southern Alberta to come on down and get in a fight and maybe get laid or maybe both is not "urbanization". Hell, it's probably closer to "ghettoization" of the few blocks surrounding it. Normal people won't want to go there or live near there.

The goal is to get more people to live downtown. Do you think having this nuthouse there would further that goal?

There is a long and storied history of meathead bars thriving well out of the downtown core. I'm sure this one can do the same.

If we want people to actually live downtown (which I'm sure very little of the

I don't know if you understand what is being said. By having a section of downtown as the 'club zone' and then one that's the 'coffee house artsy zone' and the list goes on and on. You seem to want to live in an area that is not near a bar or the ghetto (which I remind you, this is Calgary, there is no ghetto) so you wouldn't live near the bar district, you seem to much rather live in the suburbs. So then live in the Suburbs.
Look at any major 'urbanized' city in the country or the States. I'm going to use Chicago as an example since I lived there.
there is the shopping/bussiness district, there is the club district, and there is the theatre district and the suburbs (the list goes on, but I will stop there)
Guess who lives in the shopping/bussiness district? People who work downtown and have money and typically are single are married without children.
Guess who lives in the club district. Single just out of college people
Guess who lives in the theatre district. Actors!
Guess who lives in the suburbs. You guessed it, Suburbanites! People who have families, and are looking for a quiet place to raise them.
People go to where there interests are.
Its kind of how I moved close to red mile and the saddledome because I like the Flames.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

I don't know if you understand what is being said. By having a section of downtown as the 'club zone' and then one that's the 'coffee house artsy zone' and the list goes on and on. You seem to want to live in an area that is not near a bar or the ghetto (which I remind you, this is Calgary, there is no ghetto) so you wouldn't live near the bar district, you seem to much rather live in the suburbs. So then live in the Suburbs.
Look at any major 'urbanized' city in the country or the States. I'm going to use Chicago as an example since I lived there.
there is the shopping/bussiness district, there is the club district, and there is the theatre district and the suburbs (the list goes on, but I will stop there)
Guess who lives in the shopping/bussiness district? People who work downtown and have money and typically are single are married without children.
Guess who lives in the club district. Single just out of college people
Guess who lives in the theatre district. Actors!
Guess who lives in the suburbs. You guessed it, Suburbanites! People who have families, and are looking for a quiet place to raise them.
People go to where there interests are.
Its kind of how I moved close to red mile and the saddledome because I like the Flames.

Okay, I'm nuts and I don't know how to read. And you are patronizing to boot. You are really good at this.

But really, I actually do know how to read. I know how to repeat myself as well -- a bar like Cowboys, in an area like they proposed, is not a good idea. It is a bad idea.

And it has been amply demonstrated that a "club district" is not a good idea either. It has failed miserably twice already. You really want to go for strike three? A bunch of "clubs" in the Cowboys mold in a concentrated area is a guaranteed disaster, so you might as well give up on the Meathead District.

Thanks for the civics lesson though. It was really helpful.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Okay, I'm nuts and I don't know how to read. And you are patronizing to boot. You are really good at this.

But really, I actually do know how to read. I know how to repeat myself as well -- a bar like Cowboys, in an area like they proposed, is not a good idea. It is a bad idea.

And it has been amply demonstrated that a "club district" is not a good idea either. It has failed miserably twice already. You really want to go for strike three? A bunch of "clubs" in the Cowboys mold in a concentrated area is a guaranteed disaster, so you might as well give up on the Meathead District.

Thanks for the civics lesson though. It was really helpful.

Glad I can help. Here's some more Civic lessons for you.

Last two times that they tried this district mold I am talking about how many districts did they try out. Just the club district, and also, now this is my key point, last times they tried this, was the City in the middle of its largest growth spurt ever? I didn't think so.
I lived in, and visited many major cities in my short life, and when you see it successful as many times as I have, you realize that it takes proper planning at the proper time.
On that note, I never once said make every bar a cowboys like bar. Even meatheads need their diversity.

[The Goon]

If anything, we do need more peeler joints in the city.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by The Goon

If anything, we do need more peeler joints in the city.

haha more or better? Calgary's Saturday night A squad would have trouble making a Tuesday night B squad anywhere else.

[Harbourmouth]

The city using "people that live around there" is a goddamn joke. I lived at London House (next to the proposed new location) when I first moved to Calgary, and the area is full of pimps, hookers, and crack heads. If anything, Cowboys might clean up the neighbourhood. Furthermore, when I lived there that exact location became a "make-shift" bar during Stampede. The city didn't have a problem with it than.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

haha more or better? Calgary's Saturday night A squad would have trouble making a Tuesday night B squad anywhere else.

No kidding. Maybe its just me, but girls with obviously fake racks with tattoos and piercings EVERYWHERE just doesn't do it for me.

However, they're still better than the smaller towns in Alberta. My army buddy says in Wainwright they can't wait for the Edmonton B squad to show up on special nights.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

haha more or better? Calgary's Saturday night A squad would have trouble making a Tuesday night B squad anywhere else.

I think horndogs from Lethbridge might disagree with you there.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

No kidding. Maybe its just me, but girls with obviously fake racks with tattoos and piercings EVERYWHERE just doesn't do it for me.

Don't forget the one's who look like they're from Edmonton....gross

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Don't forget the one's who look like they're from Edmonton....gross

LOL I hear you on that!

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Priceless! You are now stereotyping a group that you probably hated for stereotyping you in highschool....

Ha, actually nobody really did anything to me in high-school, so it definitely is not a vendetta. Pretty much throughout I was always one of those kids who wasn't a nerd, but definitely not that cool. You know, the other 75% of us.