This one will bomb and bomb badly, the day and age of Star Trek is over and done with. the next generation movies with the exception of First contact were garbage. Voyager was terrible, Enterprise was terrible, Deep Space 9 was terrific but people didn't get it, and Next Generation pretty much bored me to tears.
Paramount has driven this franchise straight into the ground, and I doubt that there are enough Trekkies out there that will take the time to put down thier Klingon Version of Hamlet, stop playing with their dolls er collectibles and take time out of thier debate with a fellow trekkie about who was a better Captain Kirk or Picard to go to the Theater.
Nemesis was promoted as this huge leap forward for Trek with the writer of Gladiator at the helm and it was the first movie I walked out of since my girlfriend tried to convince me that TomCats with Jerry O'connell could be funny.
Just let it die already.
Star Trek doesn't need another shovel full of dirt on its face.
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could simon pegg really play scotty?? im afraid id just laugh because id think he was doing a spoof of it or something.
I will see this for Simon Pegg. He will ruin the integrity of this film, but its okay because he will make this film, and its integrity isnt all that integral anyways....
Not only that, but really, I enjoy Star Trek to a certain degree, but even I think the premise of this movie is dubious at best.
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This one will bomb and bomb badly, the day and age of Star Trek is over and done with. the next generation movies with the exception of First contact were garbage. Voyager was terrible, Enterprise was terrible, Deep Space 9 was terrific but people didn't get it, and Next Generation pretty much bored me to tears.
Paramount has driven this franchise straight into the ground, and I doubt that there are enough Trekkies out there that will take the time to put down thier Klingon Version of Hamlet, stop playing with their dolls er collectibles and take time out of thier debate with a fellow trekkie about who was a better Captain Kirk or Picard to go to the Theater.
Nemesis was promoted as this huge leap forward for Trek with the writer of Gladiator at the helm and it was the first movie I walked out of since my girlfriend tried to convince me that TomCats with Jerry O'connell could be funny.
Just let it die already.
Star Trek doesn't need another shovel full of dirt on its face.
I agree with you that DS9 (after Season 2) was the second best of all the series, first being TOS. I liked the TOS universe where the Federation was established, benevolent, positive, but not afraid to bend the rules and be aggressive as needed. It was a positive, but very human future. DS9 was an extension of this, and going to the point where the Federation was at the brink of defeat against a superior foe... winning required them to be very un-TNG. TNG was too "perfect", and I didn't like the perfect, preachy Federation with a pacifistic and socialist overtone. It was far too sterile. Voyager just stunk, and ENT had one too many stupid time travel plots and the prequel killing "Earth will be destroyed if we fail... but we all know they don't cause then there would be no TOS, TNG, etc."
The problem with Star Trek post-The Undiscovered Country is that the TNG cast was not a movie cast. They didn't have that something special. First Contact notwithstanding. Generations was a shameful display. Take the Kirk stunt away and its a glorified episode. Insurrection was probably a two-part episode script lying around, cause there was nothing impressive about it. The plots did not make up for the lack of star power or anything to attract the non-Star Trek fan.
Nemesis was perhaps the greatest failure of all, because even when they tried to go "big", it was ridiculous compared to its competition. The Stewart and Spiner show has no resonance outside of ST fans, and even then... Stuart Baird and John Logan created a horrible movie with rip-offs of previously successful Star Trek entries, and a generally ridiculous plot. Behind them was the ######ed duo of Berman and Braga. As well, there was no star power aside from Patrick Stewart. Tom Hardy was a pathetic Picard "clone".
Since then, the entire braintrust of Star Trek has been knocked on their ass. While JJ Abrams had made his share of crap, his writing team is good, and have shown they can treat pre-existing properties with respect. I'm cautiously optimistic. Leonard Nimoy did not sign up for Generations, stating he felt it was flat and superficial. He did, however, come out of retirement for this one. He has been surrounded with a deep and talented cast who (aside from Pegg, but I'm sure they can dye his hair) bear a close resemblance to the original crew. They casted a borderline A-list Hollywood actor as the villain, with rumors another actor of similar (or greater) standing has yet to be cast as a "Federation captain", likely Captain Pike, who Kirk would take over for.
If the rumors of showing the beginnings of NCC-1701 under Kirk, old Spock interacting with that against a well written and deep foe, and ending up with him and old Kirk at the end kicking back and riding into the sunset are true... this will be a solid movie.
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This one will bomb and bomb badly, the day and age of Star Trek is over and done with. the next generation movies with the exception of First contact were garbage. Voyager was terrible, Enterprise was terrible, Deep Space 9 was terrific but people didn't get it, and Next Generation pretty much bored me to tears.
Paramount has driven this franchise straight into the ground, and I doubt that there are enough Trekkies out there that will take the time to put down thier Klingon Version of Hamlet, stop playing with their dolls er collectibles and take time out of thier debate with a fellow trekkie about who was a better Captain Kirk or Picard to go to the Theater.
Nemesis was promoted as this huge leap forward for Trek with the writer of Gladiator at the helm and it was the first movie I walked out of since my girlfriend tried to convince me that TomCats with Jerry O'connell could be funny.
Just let it die already.
Star Trek doesn't need another shovel full of dirt on its face.
I loved Voyager, Enterprise was half decent, and Deep Space Nine was enjoyable. But nothing has been as good as TNG. However if they made more movies I would have enjoyed seeing a Voyager movie, this new one they have in the works makes me agree that this will certainly bury the franchise for a long time.
DS9 was, IMO, the best Star Trek made. The characters, the acting, the war... it was just fantastic.
I am the first to say that Star Trek has not been doing well lately but I love it and grew up with it.
This movie I have hope for. With J.J. Abrams at the helm and a script that he has said forced him to direct the movie (he was on the fence before he read the script, but said it was so good he had to direct), and some really good young actors I think this could be a great movie.
Also, it is worth it to note that this movie is being considered a blockbuster with a prime release date and a budget of $150-160 million.
Obviously not all blockbusters are good movies but Paramount IS giving the money, people, and effort required to make the film a success.
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DS9 was good but frankly a little overrated by Trek fans and far too underrated by everyone else. [B5 was superior in every way]. TNG was good at times, but just utterly bland. Voyager I can't even watch because it is so horrible and badly executed. Enterprise was just Voyager wrapped in a new skin made even clumsier by continuity handling and fan service that sucked.
TOS was and will always be the best.
I can't believe I wasted so much of my youth on Star Trek!!!
This one will bomb and bomb badly, the day and age of Star Trek is over and done with. the next generation movies with the exception of First contact were garbage. Voyager was terrible, Enterprise was terrible, Deep Space 9 was terrific but people didn't get it, and Next Generation pretty much bored me to tears.
Paramount has driven this franchise straight into the ground, and I doubt that there are enough Trekkies out there that will take the time to put down thier Klingon Version of Hamlet, stop playing with their dolls er collectibles and take time out of thier debate with a fellow trekkie about who was a better Captain Kirk or Picard to go to the Theater.
Nemesis was promoted as this huge leap forward for Trek with the writer of Gladiator at the helm and it was the first movie I walked out of since my girlfriend tried to convince me that TomCats with Jerry O'connell could be funny.
Just let it die already.
Star Trek doesn't need another shovel full of dirt on its face.
Well, this is a completely different approach. A group of actors unknown to the Star Trek community. A completely new set of writers, directors, and producers. A large budget and the complete backing of studio, plus positioning the movie to be a hit with Star Trek fans and others as well.
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I'm going to guess at a few twists based on the Star Trek manuals
1) There is some concept of time travel involved (check, its a flashback episode)
2) McCoy will call Spock a heartless greenblooded
3) At some point the transporters will fail (You'd think someone would design a better one)
4) The self destruct device will be used and then canceled
5) Someone will come up with an extrememly complicated technologically impossible solution to the problem (Hey lets vent plasma from the warp Nacelles and use an inverse poleron based tachyon pulse through the plasma cloud creating the ultimate duex ex machina to end the movie
6) Kirk will swing around in his chair and say something utterly hilarious to Trekkies alone
7) Kirk will be flung out of his chair during a fight
8) The rear shields will fail at some point
9) Scotty will proclaim that he's not a miracle worker as he scotch tapes the warp drive back together.
10) Kirk will get angry proclaiming revenge
11) The villian will laugh like a maniac and be-moan the lack of a mustache to twirl
12) Uhura's only line of relevance will be hailing frequencies open
13) Checkov will mispronounce a word in a bad russian accent
14) At the end we'll get a deep meaningful speech from Kirk followed by a "To the second star on the right and on til morning" moment
15) Star fleet will demand that the enterprise returns to base, only to be told to stuff it by one of the main characters.
16) There will be a hot love interest for Kirk that will die
17) The warp drive will fail.
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