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habernac · 10-12-2007, 02:55 PM

you could head over the border and get one for about $10,000 cheaper right now with the $ the way it is (unless you're Lanny, who won't do that I'm assuming unless he's somehow making Canadian $ down in AZ). I'm certainly thinking about it.

REDVAN · 10-12-2007, 02:57 PM

These global warming threads are my favorite.

Suzuki is a took. Gore is a tool.

Global warming is real. The debate still rages as to what is causing the warming. Don't believe what Gore says, he is just presenting his view of the issue. Some people don't understand the basic principles of science- everyone has an agenda, and you have to sift through the bull-shinguard to find the real truth. Unfortunately you need a degree in earth science to understand half the scientific data... does Gore have that????

Agamemnon · 10-12-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by REDVAN

These global warming threads are my favorite.

Suzuki is a took. Gore is a tool.

Global warming is real. The debate still rages as to what is causing the warming. Don't believe what Gore says, he is just presenting his view of the issue. Some people don't understand the basic principles of science- everyone has an agenda, and you have to sift through the bull-shinguard to find the real truth. Unfortunately you need a degree in earth science to understand half the scientific data... does Gore have that????

So what happens when people with Earth Science degrees support man-caused Global Warming? Are you assuming there are none out there?

Also, you say the 'debate still rages', but then 'don't believe what Gore says'... if the debate is still raging, why would you ignore one side of the equation?

llama64 · 10-12-2007, 04:16 PM

Global Warming? I thought people finally grew a brain and threw that term out with last weeks trash.

Climate Change more accurately describes what is going on. And what is happening is that our environment is heating up and this is altering the weather patterns. This will affect how we live and how our economies will function. Denying this is not only stupid, it's negligent.

All this energy being wasted on debating the uselessness of whether humanity is the cause of it really bothers me. We should be figuring out what to do to adapt to the changes (which may involve cutting back on fossil fuel consumption).

Both sides need to get their heads out of their butts and figure out what needs to be done to minimize the damage to our society.

About Gore... there is no way in heck he deserves the Nobel piece price. That win reeks of politics and demeens the award. Not that it is a shining beacon in it's own right. I liked the suggestion of making a Nobel Environmental Activism award instead.

Agamemnon · 10-12-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by llama64

Global Warming? I thought people finally grew a brain and threw that term out with last weeks trash.

Climate Change more accurately describes what is going on. And what is happening is that our environment is heating up and this is altering the weather patterns. This will affect how we live and how our economies will function. Denying this is not only stupid, it's negligent.

All this energy being wasted on debating the uselessness of whether humanity is the cause of it really bothers me. We should be figuring out what to do to adapt to the changes (which may involve cutting back on fossil fuel consumption).

Well... it seems obvious that both sides are focused on the causes of Global Warming (sorry, my brain must not be fully grown yet) because if the warming is caused by human emissions, then it may be possible to correct the problem (or alleviate the worst effects) through emission-reductions, among other things. It'd be pretty dumb to stop trying to find out what causes the current warming trends and instead focus on 'living with it', especially if our actions are directly contributing this warming.

transplant99 · 10-12-2007, 07:34 PM

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So what happens when people with Earth Science degrees support man-caused Global Warming?

So what happens when people with Earth Science degrees DONT support man-caused Global Warming?

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Also, you say the 'debate still rages', but then 'don't believe what Gore says'... if the debate is still raging, why would you ignore one side of the equation?

Gore is not " a side" of things. He is an extreme part of one side who has swallowed all the attention the rest of his "side" should be getting...which is unfortunate. There IS a middle ground on this stuff but he has now won awards in 3 distinct categories and become the spokesman/martyr for something that simply does not exist as we know it.

he does so much more harm than good with his BS it's truly sad....because i do not believe ANYONE claims that climate change is happening, hat some of the more curious ones want to know is WHY its happening....he claims to have answered that and has been factually proven to be completely incorrect in his answers. He is, as the left likes to throw out there, "fearmongering". And its making him way more wealthy than he already was.
See the silliness?

Dan02 · 10-13-2007, 04:10 AM

Lanny you seem somewhat knowledgable on the subject so maybe you can help me figure out what is my biggest question regarding our influence on global warming.

How do climatologists account for periods of warmth in recent history, pre industrial revolution where temperatures are thought to have been about the same temperature they are today(in the last last thousand years or so), perhaps i've been looking in the wrong places but i haven't really seem much of a explanation at all.

I personally, have a hard time believing models of the future which can't accurately represent the events we know to have happened in the past. So heres your shot to change one mans mind

Lanny_MacDonald · 10-13-2007, 07:57 AM

http://www.theweathermakers.com/

Flannery does a much better job reviewing this complex issue than I ever could.

Agamemnon · 10-13-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

So what happens when people with Earth Science degrees DONT support man-caused Global Warming?

The original poster said that if you don't have an Earth Science degree you can't really comment/know the issue. I'm wondering what happens if some of them support human-caused warming, does his position change then? Personally I'd be very interested to line up everyone with an Earth Sciences degree and see where they stand on the issue. Somehow I doubt it would be 50/50, but thats just guessing on my part.

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Gore is not " a side" of things. He is an extreme part of one side who has swallowed all the attention the rest of his "side" should be getting...which is unfortunate. There IS a middle ground on this stuff but he has now won awards in 3 distinct categories and become the spokesman/martyr for something that simply does not exist as we know it.

If you think Gore is on the extreme side of pro-environment movement then you don't know anything about that movement. Gore, if anything, is a reasonable/rational voice in that community, not a hard-core extremist.

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Originally Posted by transplant99

he does so much more harm than good with his BS it's truly sad....because i do not believe ANYONE claims that climate change is happening, hat some of the more curious ones want to know is WHY its happening....he claims to have answered that and has been factually proven to be completely incorrect in his answers. He is, as the left likes to throw out there, "fearmongering". And its making him way more wealthy than he already was.
See the silliness?

Obviously the Nobel Peace Prize disagrees with you... so your stated opinion may not be universally accepted.

Clarkey · 10-13-2007, 09:31 AM

This tarnishes the peace prize's credibility.

Clarkey · 10-13-2007, 10:14 AM

transplant99 · 10-14-2007, 08:37 AM

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Personally I'd be very interested to line up everyone with an Earth Sciences degree and see where they stand on the issue. Somehow I doubt it would be 50/50, but thats just guessing on my part.

Who knows? Ive seen pretty convincing arguments both ways, but the biggest one is the history of this planet. It has heated and cooled all on its own LONG before humans were the main inhabitants.

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If you think Gore is on the extreme side of pro-environment movement then you don't know anything about that movement. Gore, if anything, is a reasonable/rational voice in that community, not a hard-core extremist.

I said he is extreme on his views of "man made global warming"...the entire issue of this discussion. How can one be reasonable/rational when the position he takes has both been exaggerated and has no universally accepted proof?

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Obviously the Nobel Peace Prize disagrees with you... so your stated opinion may not be universally accepted.

LOL!!

Yep the bastion of reasonability that is the Nobel Peace Prize has me convinced that man has caused the warming trends we are seeing as species for the first time.

Shaking my head.

Nice spin though.

the_only_turek_fan · 10-14-2007, 09:58 AM

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...f-c2acfc7e2023

RougeUnderoos · 10-14-2007, 02:18 PM

I've always loved the "and there he is driving around in his SUV, flying all over the world" argument from the denial types. Taking that tack to its logical conclusion, the only credible spokesperson for the environmental movement is a person who walks around, barefoot, in a hemp sack, and whispers his message to anyone who happens by.

Anyway, forget Al Gore. He ain't my hero either.

I'd say it took me probably 20 minutes to read this thread and the links and that excellent article in the National Post (climate science, the discipline itself, is baloney, don't you know). In that short time, we managed to burn through 192000000 litres of oil.

Thank God there aren't any negative effects from that.

Agamemnon · 10-14-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Who knows? Ive seen pretty convincing arguments both ways, but the biggest one is the history of this planet. It has heated and cooled all on its own LONG before humans were the main inhabitants.

I said he is extreme on his views of "man made global warming"...the entire issue of this discussion. How can one be reasonable/rational when the position he takes has both been exaggerated and has no universally accepted proof?

LOL!!

Yep the bastion of reasonability that is the Nobel Peace Prize has me convinced that man has caused the warming trends we are seeing as species for the first time.

Shaking my head.

Nice spin though.

What spin are you talking about? My suggestion that your opinion is not universally held? The things you're stating here as obvious facts, believe it or not, may not be the end-all be-all of the debate. The fact that he won the prize should make that obvious (no matter what your personal opinion of the prize happens to be). I'm not the one agressively putting forward their beliefs here, take a look at the thread, and in the mirror.

Lanny_MacDonald · 10-14-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...f-c2acfc7e2023

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Corcoran

http://www3.sympatico.ca/dylan.reid/corcoran.htm

http://www.desmogblog.com/terence-co...his-sloppiness

Displaced Flames fan · 10-14-2007, 08:37 PM

What I'd like to know is how does raising awareness of global warming warrant a PEACE prize?

Whether or not what Gore preaches is true (I'm sure some elements of it are and some aren't) I think the awareness he has generated is very positive. Let me make that clear. But what in the name of Jesper Mattson does it have to do with promoting peace?

4X4 · 10-14-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

What I'd like to know is how does raising awareness of global warming warrant a PEACE prize?

Maybe this is a roundabout way of saying "it was about the oil".

Lanny_MacDonald · 10-14-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

What I'd like to know is how does raising awareness of global warming warrant a PEACE prize?

Whether or not what Gore preaches is true (I'm sure some elements of it are and some aren't) I think the awareness he has generated is very positive. Let me make that clear. But what in the name of Jesper Mattson does it have to do with promoting peace?

I was wondering about that myself. Looking for a reason, they may postulate that the work done on climate change is a universal issue and any work done on such a global initiative may result in more balance internationally, and result in less conflict. It would not be the first time that a global initiative was rewarded with the peace prize.

the_only_turek_fan · 10-15-2007, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Corcoran

http://www3.sympatico.ca/dylan.reid/corcoran.htm

http://www.desmogblog.com/terence-co...his-sloppiness

So are you flat out denying that the raise in recent temperatures are of natural causes? Corcoran is not the only one who has written an article like this before.

Do you believe that the evidence is inconclusive or do you flat out believe that man is contributing to global warming?

There needs to be some non politically motivated research done on this topic. This is kinda getting out of hand.