Who are you voting for to be Mayor? I'm voting for Sandy Jenkins

[someguy51]

Originally Posted by kevman

I don't understand why no one feels an underground line can work in Calgary? We're talking about 15-20 blocks underground... I tend to believe that most opponents to this suggestion have never taken the train to work. The current system is already taxed to it's limits and it's only going to get worse if we don't remove the biggest bottle neck. It's going to be expensive but how much has Bronco spent on infrastructure for new communities in the last 6 years? Isn't it time that everybody else that commutes downtown gets a little infrastructure relief?

I take the train (and a bus) to and from work everyday - during peak times. I know how bad of a bottleneck it is downtown but I still don't think its feasible to put it underground. It would simply cost too much money. Also, from the sounds of it the engineering challenge might be too great.

[MrMastodonFarm]

If I was able I'd vote for only Sandy Jenkis, but only if she capitilizes on the film Memento.

[Ducay]

Anyone know what Bronco's plans for 7th ave are (if any?) I know his plans for the new legs, but what about downtown? As mentioned, if you add a fourth leg feeding into downtown (west LRT), 7th is honestly going to be clogged for the entire peak times.


And Im ashamed, 3 pages and no mention that Jenkins wrote a book on the NHL refferee strike.....he seems to be a hockey nut.
Too bad I dont like the MRC LRT idea.

[Resolute 14]

Extending route 202 won't clog downtown anymore than it already is.

[Burninator]

Just to clarify for some, Sandy Jenkins is a guy. Not what I thought at first either.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Extending route 202 won't clog downtown anymore than it already is.

How so? (If you are talking about adding west LRT), You'd be adding a whole new bunch of new cars that need somewhere to stop.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ducay

How so? (If you are talking about adding west LRT),
You'd be adding a whole new bunch of new cars that need somewhere to stop.

Yes, and they will be stopping on the west line. More cars, certainly, but more track too.

Route 202 will still have trains stopping at each station every five minutes during the rush, just like now. The only difference is that the end of line will no longer be 10th street, but somewhere farther west.

Unless they change the interval between trains, there will still be the same number of trains downtown.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Well, kevman, I can certainly see where you're coming from. At least you give reasons why Broncommier is a tool (IYO). My post merely contrasts KC's unsubstantiated claim that Bronconnier is a tool, while complaining that Edmonton's LRT doesn't extend far enough. (point being, under Bronco, the LRT has notibly expanded in Calgary)

I half-agree with you, too. Bronco hasn't done an AWFUL job of leading this city through some tough years. However, I have it from a good source that Bronco is in cahoots with some local developers.

[kdogg]

I'm uninformed.

Can someone tell me who is promising the most roads and overpasses?

They'll get my vote. Thats the only thing I really care about.
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[Table 5]

Originally Posted by kdogg

Can someone tell me who is promising the most roads and overpasses?

jesus, sometimes i want to punch people like you.

[RoadGame]

Originally Posted by kdogg

I'm uninformed.

Can someone tell me who is promising the most roads and overpasses?

They'll get my vote. Thats the only thing I really care about.

More transit means fewer vehicles on those roads, so it's six of one...

Ditto the remark immediately above mine, however.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Yes, and they will be stopping on the west line. More cars, certainly, but more track too.

Route 202 will still have trains stopping at each station every five minutes during the rush, just like now. The only difference is that the end of line will no longer be 10th street, but somewhere farther west.

Unless they change the interval between trains, there will still be the same number of trains downtown.

I have seen *preliminary future c-train platform plans and it seems that one of the new legs of the train will follow the existing CP Rail tracks that go between 9th and 10th avenues. All of the tracks will utilize the existing infrastructure in place in one way or another.

Now this was from a future underpass design for the 4th street/olympic way underpass that is planned to connect stampede park to the east village. So it could be for future SE rail expansion only. However, this train corridor provides a great way for the city to add two more legs of C-train service without severly disrupting downtown traffic flow.

*This could very well mean that it's only a thought for now.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Table 5

jesus, sometimes i want to punch people like you.

Care to elaborate on that? If you have a contrary opinion- then let's hear it.

You can put me in a similar camp as kdogg. Our infrastructure is great for a city 3/4 the size that we are now, and we are continuing to grow. For some people public transit is not the answer. Sure, for us white collar guys working downtown it's great, and people will show you that 250,000 people work downtown every day. However that also means that 500,000 people work somewhere else. Unless we are talking about building a subway system similar to London's, then the roads are a priority for many people. Maybe not all people; so that's why we have these elections.

[Juventus3]

Another thing I'd like to see happen in this city is a stop to annexing more land. We cannot keep this idea of urban sprawling going. This city is large enough in area for ten times the amount of people living here. Time to start building up, not out.

LA tried to overpass their way out of the same traffic problems we're having today...I don't need to tell you how that worked out.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Juventus3

Another thing I'd like to see happen in this city is a stop to annexing more land. We cannot urban sprawl our way out of traffic problems. This city is large enough in size for ten times the amount of people living here. Time to start building up, not out.

LA tried to overpass their way out of the same traffic problems we're having today...I don't need to tell you how that worked out.

I agree, and this one of the reasons that I was not happy with Bronco. He originally said that urban sprawl doesn't exist in Calgary! He has since recanted that due to the obvious. But he has kept buying up land and increasing our size. I have heard of other cities giving incentives for developers to build in the core, and doing the opposite for developers in the burbs. The idea is that the core will get denser, bigger and revitalized instead of the city getting larger, spread out, and boring.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I agree, and this one of the reasons that I was not happy with Bronco. He originally said that urban sprawl doesn't exist in Calgary! He has since recanted that due to the obvious. But he has kept buying up land and increasing our size. I have heard of other cities giving incentives for developers to build in the core, and doing the opposite for developers in the burbs. The idea is that the core will get denser, bigger and revitalized instead of the city getting larger, spread out, and boring.

1st step: legalizing basement suites. Either that, or a complete revamping of the city's zoning.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Care to elaborate on that? If you have a contrary opinion- then let's hear it.

Do people still not realize that the solution to traffic problems is not more roads?

More roads lead to the city being stretched out, which leads to needing more more maintentance money to sustain them, which leads to less money to go around for all infrastructure, which leads to an overall poor quality transportation network....never mind the added issues of pollution, sprawl, ugliness, and a complete dearth of vibrant atmosphere.

Calgary seriously needs to start valueing quality over quantity. If this city was more compact, we could have BETTER roads, since we could afford to mantain them properly, BETTER C-train network since they wouldn't have to be stretched out to to frickin' Montana, LESS pollution, and people could actually walk to places instead of having to pack everyone into a car.

[kdogg]

Originally Posted by Table 5

jesus, sometimes i want to punch people like you.

Jesus, sometimes I want to set people like you on fire.



For someone who lives in the NW and has to drive to the SE to work everyday, having more overpasses along the way (i.e. if something could be done on crowchild), would save many people tons of time each day.

Frankley, I don't care about have affordable housing issues and such. I care about getting to and from work every day in a fast and efficient manner.

So why wouldn't I vote for the candidate that offers a better road system?!?!? Obviously other issues comes into play, but, not many effect me. Some of these LRT projects are not in my area, and won't necessarily take cars off of the road on my route to work.



Geez, someone find me some matches!
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[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Do people still not realize that the solution to traffic problems is not more roads?

Says a guy living in NYC and hasn't experienced the current realities of Calgary....

The current overpasses that they are building are desperately needed. The Glenmore/Elbow Drive interchange was needed years ago. The 16th/Stoney interchange has been needed since Stoney Trail was built. The overpasses on Crowchild have been needed for years. The lights on Deerfoot (which have since been removed) were ridiculous.

There are still more improvements needed. Public Transport is definitely needed, but in addition to more efficient roads. To simply dismiss this reality, when it is one of (if not THE) major issues of the election, is pretty foolish.

[Table 5]

are you really that selfish and myopic that the entire city's well-being and future has to revolve around your simple need to drive to work? I know that day to day life is important, but there are much bigger events out there to be cogniscant of when voting.