Higgins, Creehan, Barker, Hellard

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

That fake punt was just stupid. Even if it was executed, it wasn't the time to do it.

Higgins also went with a two-quarterback system with Ricky Ray and Bart Hendricks, before realizing he was wrong.

He was the most conservative coach in the CFL. What coach tells their QB to take a knee at their own 40, with 30 seconds left? 30 seconds in the CFL is alot.

He had his moments, but he's definitely a second rate coach. When players don't respect their coach, there is a problem

[Rejean31]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi@Feb 1 2005, 06:48 PM
When players don't respect their coach, there is a problem

Yes, you're right, Sundeep. There is a problem. A problem with the players.

[calf]

Sundeep: 1) the element of surprise counts for a lot, 2) would 'the most conservative coach in the cfl' pull out a fake punt at a time when a team's not expecting it?

Hell, I hate the 'smos, but I thought it was brilliant timing. Maybe you're just p*ssed off they lost. Fair enough.

[Golden Jet]

Originally posted by calf+Jan 15 2005, 11:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (calf @ Jan 15 2005, 11:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-snappyk@Jan 15 2005, 08:22 AM
The fans in Edmonton are calling Higgins a second rate coach that didn't prove anything. His record is pretty good and he did win a Grey cup and went to the finals twice and won coach of the year. I really don't think that he's second rate.

It's typical Edmonton fans trying to rationalize/bring Calgary down. They have an unproven HC this season. I'll take a HC with a Grey Cup ring any day. [/b][/quote]
ESkimo DC Greg Marshall signed with the Renegades yesterday. Big loss for Edmonton. Rooke HC, new OC & now a new DC.

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by calf@Feb 1 2005, 09:03 PM
Sundeep: 1) the element of surprise counts for a lot, 2) would 'the most conservative coach in the cfl' pull out a fake punt at a time when a team's not expecting it?

Hell, I hate the 'smos, but I thought it was brilliant timing. Maybe you're just p*ssed off they lost. Fair enough.

Even if it was the right call, there was no reason the Eskimos, with that talent, should have finished 9-9.

Higgins made plenty of baffling decisions, and was never respected in general, by the fans or players.

It's too hard to say if he's an improvement over Dunnigan.

We'll see.

[moon]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi+Feb 2 2005, 01:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sundeep Malhi @ Feb 2 2005, 01:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-calf@Feb 1 2005, 09:03 PM
Sundeep: 1) the element of surprise counts for a lot, 2) would 'the most conservative coach in the cfl' pull out a fake punt at a time when a team's not expecting it?

Hell, I hate the 'smos, but I thought it was brilliant timing. Maybe you're just p*ssed off they lost. Fair enough.

Even if it was the right call, there was no reason the Eskimos, with that talent, should have finished 9-9.

Higgins made plenty of baffling decisions, and was never respected in general, by the fans or players.

It's too hard to say if he's an improvement over Dunnigan.

We'll see. [/b][/quote]
It isn't hard to see at all if he is an improvement over the fans. He obviously is. The fact that you try to put him off as a bad coach shows your bias towards everything that is edmonton, as shown in other threads. The fact of the matter is that all CFL experts agree that he should not have been fired. Maccoica may be a decent replacement but is only where he is thanks to Higgins.

Higgins is a big improvemant on Dunnigan an if yuo wan to dicount all he did for edmonton then go ahead and do that but realize that you are not getting a better coach in Danny as many times when they lost the games they have in the past couple of years on wa thanks to the offense.

There is a reason that Marshall left after Higgins was fired.

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by moon+Feb 2 2005, 02:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moon @ Feb 2 2005, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Even if it was the right call, there was no reason the Eskimos, with that talent, should have finished 9-9.

Higgins made plenty of baffling decisions, and was never respected in general, by the fans or players.

It's too hard to say if he's an improvement over Dunnigan.

We'll see.

It isn't hard to see at all if he is an improvement over the fans. He obviously is. The fact that you try to put him off as a bad coach shows your bias towards everything that is edmonton, as shown in other threads. The fact of the matter is that all CFL experts agree that he should not have been fired. Maccoica may be a decent replacement but is only where he is thanks to Higgins.

Higgins is a big improvemant on Dunnigan an if yuo wan to dicount all he did for edmonton then go ahead and do that but realize that you are not getting a better coach in Danny as many times when they lost the games they have in the past couple of years on wa thanks to the offense.

There is a reason that Marshall left after Higgins was fired. [/b][/quote]
Find me one source from a CFL expert that states Higgins should not have been fired?

The writing was on the wall.

Marshall went to Ottawa because it gave him a better opportunity to get a head coaching position. He was upset he wasn't chosen of Macocia.

[Golden Jet]

Why Eskimo fans think Macciocia will be an improvement over Higgins is beyond me. He has never been a HC before, therefore he's never won anything as a HC. I believe his inexperience will cost him some games this season.
He's lost Greg Marshall as DC & now has an OC in R.D. Lancaster who's been a disappointment.
Edmonton may have qualified 33 straight years for the playoffs but fans up there shouldn't just think they're automatic locked up for a playoff spot this season. Teams still have to earn their spot. Frankly, I'm not impressed with the coaching moves done by the Esks this off season.

[calf]

Originally posted by Golden Jet@Feb 2 2005, 08:51 PM
Why Eskimo fans think Macciocia will be an improvement over Higgins is beyond me. He has never been a HC before, therefore he's never won anything as a HC. I believe his inexperience will cost him some games this season.
He's lost Greg Marshall as DC & now has an OC in R.D. Lancaster who's been a disappointment.
Edmonton may have qualified 33 straight years for the playoffs but fans up there shouldn't just think they're automatic locked up for a playoff spot this season. Teams still have to earn their spot. Frankly, I'm not impressed with the coaching moves done by the Esks this off season.

I'm saying this in the most hetero-sexual way possible: I love you.

[Golden Jet]

They are delusional up there in Eskimoland if they think that coaching wise they are better off with Macciocia & his staff as compared to Higgins & his staff last season.

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by Golden Jet@Feb 2 2005, 08:51 PM
Why Eskimo fans think Macciocia will be an improvement over Higgins is beyond me. He has never been a HC before, therefore he's never won anything as a HC. I believe his inexperience will cost him some games this season.
He's lost Greg Marshall as DC & now has an OC in R.D. Lancaster who's been a disappointment.
Edmonton may have qualified 33 straight years for the playoffs but fans up there shouldn't just think they're automatic locked up for a playoff spot this season. Teams still have to earn their spot. Frankly, I'm not impressed with the coaching moves done by the Esks this off season.

Higgins has been with football for the 25 years, and his experience didn't prevent him from making poor on-field decisions.

The players never liked him.

Guys like Terry Vaughn, Singor Mobley, Ed Hervey, etc have all been critical of Higgins.

At least Macocia has the players respect.

RD Lancaster lead the Hamilton to two Grey Cup appearances.

[Golden Jet]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi+Feb 3 2005, 01:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sundeep Malhi @ Feb 3 2005, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Golden Jet@Feb 2 2005, 08:51 PM
Why Eskimo fans think Macciocia will be an improvement over Higgins is beyond me. He has never been a HC before, therefore he's never won anything as a HC. I believe his inexperience will cost him some games this season.
He's lost Greg Marshall as DC & now has an OC in R.D. Lancaster who's been a disappointment.
Edmonton may have qualified 33 straight years for the playoffs but fans up there shouldn't just think they're automatic locked up for a playoff spot this season. Teams still have to earn their spot. Frankly, I'm not impressed with the coaching moves done by the Esks this off season.

Higgins has been with football for the 25 years, and his experience didn't prevent him from making poor on-field decisions.

The players never liked him.

Guys like Terry Vaughn, Singor Mobley, Ed Hervey, etc have all been critical of Higgins.

At least Macocia has the players respect.

RD Lancaster lead the Hamilton to two Grey Cup appearances. [/b][/quote]
Poor on field decisions or the players like Sean Fleming failing to execute the plays properly???
That pass, if completed... Higgins is a hero. I think there's a number of Eskimos who dumped on their former HC after that game but really should have looked at themselves in a mirror.

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by Golden Jet+Feb 3 2005, 08:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Golden Jet @ Feb 3 2005, 08:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Higgins has been with football for the 25 years, and his experience didn't prevent him from making poor on-field decisions.

The players never liked him.

Guys like Terry Vaughn, Singor Mobley, Ed Hervey, etc have all been critical of Higgins.

At least Macocia has the players respect.

RD Lancaster lead the Hamilton to two Grey Cup appearances.

Poor on field decisions or the players like Sean Fleming failing to execute the plays properly???
That pass, if completed... Higgins is a hero. I think there's a number of Eskimos who dumped on their former HC after that game but really should have looked at themselves in a mirror. [/b][/quote]
You don't get it.

It was not ONE play that cost Higgins his job. It was THREE full years of poor decisions, lack of respect by the players, etc.

What if the Esks were at the 10 yard line and decided to call a fake punt? Even if executed, everyone would call it a stupid move.

Not much different when you're inside the 40....especially in a tight playoff game. Even if Bradley caught that ball, there's a good chance he would have not got the first down.

[Golden Jet]

Sandy, I know what you're saying but think about it... Higgins is still a GC winning coach with the Eskimos. Macciocia is like Dunigan. No experience as a HC. Lancaster as an OC has had a hot & cold career. No tears were shed when he left Winnipeg. You've just lost an experienced DC.
No way this coaching staff is as good or better than last year's Eskimo coaching staff.

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by Golden Jet@Feb 3 2005, 11:26 PM
Sandy, I know what you're saying but think about it... Higgins is still a GC winning coach with the Eskimos. Macciocia is like Dunigan. No experience as a HC. Lancaster as an OC has had a hot & cold career. No tears were shed when he left Winnipeg. You've just lost an experienced DC.
No way this coaching staff is as good or better than last year's Eskimo coaching staff.

Whoa whoa. Before throwing in the towel, lets see who Marshall's replacement is (despite the defence being subpar last year, Marshall was a great DC). Dave Ritchie and Kavis Reed are candidates for the job...both excellent coaches.

Sorry, comparing Maciocia to Dunnigan is....well....wrong.

Dunigan went straight from the TSN panel to a head coach/GM position.

Macocia has a wealth of experience not only in the league (OC for both Montreal and Edmonton), but with the Esks as well. Players respect him. He'll be a tougher coach than Higgins, if his comments on the TEAM 1260 indicated.

I'll give the Stamps credit - they'll be a better team than last year. That said, 6-12, 7-11, 8-10, are the 3 win-loss records they'll likely end up with.

As for Higgins, most fans have thought of him as a 2nd rate coach since the beginning (as evidenced by fans on esksfans.com or 13thman.com)

[Golden Jet]

I think we'll see Tom have a pretty good season as a HC this year coming up.