[PGT] Season in the ICU. Flames lost 3-1 to Utah

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Why in 2025 is the situation room dissecting pixels from the footage.

We can't install hi def, high frame rate equipment why?

I guess when the league commissioner has been the same guy for 35 years, stuck in his old ways of thinking, this is what happens.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Not sure why AC chose the little PGT, but he just showed a graphic where the puck would have to be a hexagon to not be over the line. Unreal that in 2025 we have a 12 fm/s camera that is positioned back from overhead so that you literally can't tell when a puck is over the line.

It’s where it’s supposed to be, over the back edge of the line which is the plane that needs to be fully broken. Centered over the line in the middle of the crossbar wouldn’t be the right spot. The problem is the motion blur, resolution and frame rate.

That puck is 100% in.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

But parallax effect?

(don't hurt me)

With the camera behind the puck and the line, the parallax effect in this case actually makes the puck look less far in than it actually is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I mean, there was a Jim Montgomery available in November, and the Blues are not some hot up and coming team.

But really my point was the team should Lways be looking to improve every facet of their game. Coaching staff included.

If the team was underachieving I said I would make that move if we had the talent but we don’t. We haven’t given Huska the chance to run with a young talented roster.

If fumbles a roster with star offensive players we can give him the boot.

Should Vancouver have fired AV when the Canucks didn’t produce ? They slowly grew with the coach.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Also which better coaches could they attract?
Particularly if they build a relationship for firing coaches every 2 years. Which they already do. Not really an attractive destination

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Anyway Conroy accepted this mediocre team to be mediocre for the season and lost a year. I hope Wolf, Coronato and Zary keep progressing.

Jesus, they were in a playoff spot at the deadline. They didn't have any major UFA's to deal that they couldn't deal in the summer/next year.

He didn't accept mediocrity. He rewarded that dressing room by standing pat and seeing if they could make a run. Punting the season and telling those guys "hey, good effort so far, but we're going to trade some big parts of this team" is an absolutely brutal look.

If not for the Blues ridiculous streak, the Flames are right in the mix with a 50/50 shot of making it.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

With the camera behind the puck and the line, the parallax effect in this case actually makes the puck look less far in than it actually is.

Yeah, this isn't like 2004 where the angle in question was from the front so the league can use the parallax effect excuse.

If you can see even a bit of white the puck is in.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

With the camera behind the puck and the line, the parallax effect in this case actually makes the puck look less far in than it actually is.

Yeah, I covered that point right after that post.

Initially it was just a rage-inducing callback for ####s and giggles.

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Jesus, they were in a playoff spot at the deadline. They didn't have any major UFA's to deal that they couldn't deal in the summer/next year.

He didn't accept mediocrity. He rewarded that dressing room by standing pat and seeing if they could make a run. Punting the season and telling those guys "hey, good effort so far, but we're going to trade some big parts of this team" is an absolutely brutal look.

If not for the Blues ridiculous streak, the Flames are right in the mix with a 50/50 shot of making it.

My problem is they should have a clear plan in the beginning of the season. Don't wait until deadline or some kind of result when you know you don't have a good team to win it all.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by NewFan

My problem is they should have a clear in the beginning of the season. Don't wait until deadline or some kind of result when you know you don't have a good team to win it all.

They were barely at salary cap floor, traded basically all major UFA’s last year and signed fringe players to short contracts after July 1.

You can’t ice a roster of AHL players. Not sure what else he could have done before season.

The hot start and Dustin Wolf god mode changed to conversation of what this year was going to be.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This is just my opinion, but I just see a collection of 2nd to 3rd line players there. Outside of Weegar who is a 1st pairing dman.

We desperately need some top end talent. Depth isn't the issue.

Again, just my opinion. Most of those players you listed are fine as secondary type players. We need some 1st line talent.

I get what you think. I just think it’s not as bad as you paint it.

Kadri and Huberdeau are top line players most of the time.

Weegar and Andersson some of the time are also top line D.

They just need some help. Get off your wallet Conroy.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Jesus, they were in a playoff spot at the deadline. They didn't have any major UFA's to deal that they couldn't deal in the summer/next year.



He didn't accept mediocrity. He rewarded that dressing room by standing pat and seeing if they could make a run. Punting the season and telling those guys "hey, good effort so far, but we're going to trade some big parts of this team" is an absolutely brutal look.



If not for the Blues ridiculous streak, the Flames are right in the mix with a 50/50 shot of making it.

I agree with this. 24-25 Flames are a textbook bubble team. The thing you have no control over is when there's only one playoff spot up for grabs and one of the other bubble teams you're fighting against goes on a 10-game (and counting) win streak.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by NewFan

My problem is they should have a clear plan in the beginning of the season. Don't wait until deadline or some kind of result when you know you don't have a good team to win it all.

They've had a plan since Conroy took over. Traded away their UFAs last season before they left for nothing. He's targeting early/mid 20's players to build around. They've been stockpiling draft picks (and had a potentially fantastic draft in '24) for the rebuild.

I'm not sure what some people are wanting here. Conroy isn't going to trade young players and draft picks today for band aids for a bad team. He knows this isn't a Cup contending team, we all do. He can't tell them to lose games to get better picks. I'm not sure what people want out of this team. They're rebuilding. Give it a few years and then maybe complain if they're average.

[NewFan]

I think they traded UFAs because they didn't want to sign here and it forced the management team to retool or something. If Lindholm and Hanifin accepted new agreement the management may stay in course with win now plan.

[Mathgod]

nvm

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Kadri and Huberdeau are top line players most of the time.
.

If you believe this I don't know what to say.

They would be amoung the weakest top line players on any team in the NHL. Maybe the weakest but off the top of my head NYI and PHI kinda suck too (The Flames of the East)

[saillias]

Would be nice to see Poirier, Kerins, Stromgren, Honzek, and maybe Cooley and Solovyov. Shut down the injured guys and make room.

That said I think they will need to be officially eliminated and that might take a bit longer.

The other thing is Parekh, but he single handedly won the Spirit their game tonight, a Herculean effort, so he may not become available. They are only down 2-1. They might have a longer season than the Flames will.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Why in 2025 is the situation room dissecting pixels from the footage.

We can't install hi def, high frame rate equipment why?

Because then they'd have to work with the actual picture...this way they get to make the call(s) they want...not necessarily what actually occurred.


The NHL depends on a lot of things, and one of them is gambling. Think about that.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Flames have picked up a number of good young players

Frost
Bahl
Pachal
Farabee

And a number of their draft picks took big steps in the last year or so

Coronato
Zary
Wolf
Pospisil

Their top paid players showed up

Huberdeau
Kadri
Weegar

But a few players really regressed

Coleman
Backlund
Sharangovich

A few unsung heroes

Hanley
Vladar

I don’t know. I don’t think they are as bad as a lot of people on here think. They are fairly young. Have a ton of cap space and draft picks and are competitive on most nights with the top teams.

Just need some of their draft picks to hit and at some point they are going to have to use their cap space to find some offence.

I’m betting there are a number of other teams that would prefer to be in the Flames position .

Coleman hasn’t scored as much this year, but he’s still a really useful, solid hockey player. I agree with most of what you are saying. Need a couple more top end guys.

[dino7c]

Flames have played well enough to make the playoffs down the stretch...when is the last time a 10th place team just wins 10 in a row at the end? Honestly you just have to laugh

Imagine they were battling normal teams like in the east