[PGT] Flames 2 Sharks 3

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I don't think the Sharks are getting enough credit. They used their size and asserted them selves to control the game. The one flaw with this team is they are still a little small and the Sharks are exactly the type of team that can make thinks miserable. I thought the Sharks played a pretty flawless game with great gap control, getting into the shooting lanes and dominating down low (around the boards, through the neutral zone, pretty much everywhere there was ice).

Essentially the flames were the little brother being held back by their older brother with one hand one his forehead while the younger brother windmills away hitting nothing but air. The fact we got a point out of the game was pretty criminal.

Pretty much, and that was without Brent Burns in the lineup. Lord only knows how bad it would have been with him playing. He was their most dominant player when we played them in San Jose.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Pretty much, and that was without Brent Burns in the lineup. Lord only knows how bad it would have been with him playing. He was their most dominant player when we played them in San Jose.

Also Raffi Torres. Hate the guy, but he's an effective role player that brings a lot of energy to their lineup and drives the opposition crazy.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by bluloc

How the #### was Sven are best player. He looks so lost out there, he's also a step behind. Atthis point I wouldn t mind seeing him get some minutes I abby. Oh ya and Brodie sucks to

Brodie does not suck. Brodie is learning to play top minutes in the NHL at 23 years old. There is a difference between making mistakes that end up in the back of your net when you've played an otherwise solid game and looking like you're completely overwhelmed on every shift and it's a blessing when you get off without a GA. Which category does Brodie fall into?

[Stay Golden]

I don't fault the D for the Flames lifeless 1st 2 periods.
The D and Berra kept us in the game.
Asides from the 3rd period the vetern forwards did not lead by example at all. They coasted, didn't forecheck. They just went from shift to shift mailing it in.
Stempniak you can't blame the dude is coming off a broken foot way ahead of schedule and i think he is still wearing a boot.
But the few veteran forwards Cammy, Stajan, Hudler, Galiardi need to lead the way early in games.
Jones was the only forward i saw digging in the 1st 2 periods.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by bluloc

How the #### was Sven are best player. He looks so lost out there, he's also a step behind. Atthis point I wouldn t mind seeing him get some minutes I abby. Oh ya and Brodie sucks to

Comments like these are one of the reasons I really enjoy watching the opposing teams' broadcasts during Flames' games. The San Jose broadcast guys actually had quite a few complimentary things to say about Brodie, and they really like Berra's play. They made a few quips about Baertschi's play, including one where he tried to make a move around a Sharks defender "Maybe that move works in Abbotsford, but not here."

All in all I thought Baertschi looked like he was putting in a lot of effort, but was ineffectual. I think he needs to simplify his game a bit until he starts getting some points on the board. I'm sure that will bring outrage from the guys who think we should "Just let Baertschi play his game", but he's just not making good decisions with the puck right now. Passing when he should be shooting, shooting when he should be passing, trying to split the defenders instead of shoveling it to the open guy. I hate to say it, but it might be time to send him down for a bit.

As far as Brodie, this wasn't his best game, and it wasn't his worst. He had one very noticeable gaffe, but looked no worse than anyone else the rest of the game.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

Comments like these are one of the reasons I really enjoy watching the opposing teams' broadcasts during Flames' games. The San Jose broadcast guys actually had quite a few complimentary things to say about Brodie, and they really like Berra's play. They made a few quips about Baertschi's play, including one where he tried to make a move around a Sharks defender "Maybe that move works in Abbotsford, but not here."

Sometimes I watch an NBC game just to be reminded what real commentary sounds like.

Charlie Simmer just doesn't have any insight really. Talking about Gaudreau... he chimes in with "and his good speed... And the San Jose Sharks. Good team speed." when you focus on what this goof is saying, he puts no effort or thought into his commentary.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Brodie does not suck. Brodie is learning to play top minutes in the NHL at 23 years old. There is a difference between making mistakes that end up in the back of your net when you've played an otherwise solid game and looking like you're completely overwhelmed on every shift and it's a blessing when you get off without a GA. Which category does Brodie fall into?

agree - but on this board you either suck or are "fricken"

Not a lot in between....

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Igster

Meh...never felt dumb enough to watch the actual movie. Just found an image and posted it. I didn't make the damn thing.

You're missing out, Dumb and Dumber is a great movie.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

All in all I thought Baertschi looked like he was putting in a lot of effort, but was ineffectual. I think he needs to simplify his game a bit until he starts getting some points on the board. I'm sure that will bring outrage from the guys who think we should "Just let Baertschi play his game", but he's just not making good decisions with the puck right now. Passing when he should be shooting, shooting when he should be passing, trying to split the defenders instead of shoveling it to the open guy. I hate to say it, but it might be time to send him down for a bit.

Although he didn't get much in the way of results, I thought last night is more the way that he has to play. When he had the puck he was definitely trying to be aggressive and test the defenders. If he's as smart as we hope, over time he'll begin to feel out what works and what doesn't and adjust accordingly. In terms of development, this is the style of play that I was hoping we could see from Baertschi this year.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by bluloc

How the #### was Sven are best player. He looks so lost out there, he's also a step behind. Atthis point I wouldn t mind seeing him get some minutes I abby. Oh ya and Brodie sucks to

Considering the rest of the teams play I personally thought his hustle and compete level was one of the best.
Yes he should have shot the puck instead of trying a Ovechkin (although it is funny had it worked, CP would have went nuts) and yes he needs to be stronger in the corners but he was going into defensive corners and was very hard on the back check. 2 things I believe he has been strongly criticized for by management.
If he can get back to his old game and add in the back check/stronger in corners I believe we will see the Sven we all like again.

[JobHopper]

With the current group of forwards, games like this are inevitable and will happen.

The reason is you can't have 3-5 players carry the team every single night, they get tired you know.

There's to many passengers on this team right now as I've been saying all along.

Good game by Reto Berra, what more can you ask for? Good game by Kris Russell as well.

Good to get Stempniak back, he was the screen on Kris's goal and on the PP right after that one he was in front of the net again and the Flames almost scored there as well.

The Flames have to many forwards right now that simply refuse or are unwilling to go to the net.

Jones, Galiardi, Backlund and Baertschi.

Sven had a good scoring opportunity but decides to hotdog like he's at a shinny game rather than shoot the puck.

Come on Sven, you're a player on the Calgary Flames in the National Hockey league.

For the people always complaining about coach Hartley playing favorites, he had Backlund and Baertschi out there in the final minute of OT. He put those guys on the spot right there.

Mikael Backlund, team worst -2 and 3rd least ice time among all forwards with a measly 11% face off percentage. He simply needs to be better.

The good news is the Flames got a point out of this game and I would expect a much better outing from everyone here next game.

[MissTeeks]

New lines at practice today, Hudler back with the kids:

Pat Steinberg‏@Fan960Steinberg45s

#Flames lines today: Galiardi-Stajan-Jones; Cammalleri-Colborne-Stempniak; Baertschi-Monahan-Hudler; Bouma-Backlund-McGrattan

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Pretty much, and that was without Brent Burns in the lineup. Lord only knows how bad it would have been with him playing. He was their most dominant player when we played them in San Jose.

And we were without our Captain and best D-man and one one of our top forwards(one that can at least compete against the Sharks bigger guys).

[MissTeeks]

Calgary Flames‏@NHLFlames2m

#Flames coach Bob Hartley says @RetoBerra will get the start tomorrow vs. the #Stars.

Pat Steinberg‏@Fan960Steinberg1m

Hartley says Breen has been activated off IR. #Flames

[Igster]

Originally Posted by codynw

You're missing out, Dumb and Dumber is a great movie.

lol...how did this keep going? I've seen clips here and there. Yeah, no thanks.

[HartAttack]

Did anyone else notice the Sharks continually shooting high blocker on Berra? Both goals were blocker side (1 of which he had no chance on). After the Flames tied it, and SJ pushed back in the final minutes of the 3rd period I think every attempted shot on net was either high blocker, or 5-hole...

I only find it interesting because even though we don't have enough sample games to see it, there must be some kind of book out on Berra's weaknesses.

BTW I thought Berra played great and was totally keeping us in that game...

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by saillias

Sometimes I watch an NBC game just to be reminded what real commentary sounds like.

Charlie Simmer just doesn't have any insight really. Talking about Gaudreau... he chimes in with "and his good speed... And the San Jose Sharks. Good team speed." when you focus on what this goof is saying, he puts no effort or thought into his commentary.

I realized this last night; you know what you've never heard? Bob Cole tell you where someone was born or where they played their junior. Why? Because he's busy calling the damn game. Hockey is a fast game. It's not football or baseball where you've got a minute in between events and need to fill time.

The color man needs to finish his analysis within three seconds of the puck being dropped, and it is not the PBP man's job to continue to build on the color man's point WHILE the play is going on. If both people adhere to that philosophy when calling a game, 95% of all PBP complaints will go away.

[djsFlames]

Simmer is just a garbage colour commentator. Kerr could do a far superior job of giving the insight side of things, and he was never in the league. Charlie just continues to dish out the same explanations for everything that goes on.

I really enjoy Loubo's commentary, cause he knows his young players, and doesn't chalk everything up to "feeling good" or not.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Really didnt like Backlunds risky play pinching on that final goal but he had a great game and Sven was our best player in the O and D zone through the first 2! Butler has been better than average lately!
If not for Berra we get blown out but good to see the team bounce back in the third!

I thought Baertschi struggled to make an impact for most of the game. He showed some good hustle at times but wasn't making the best plays. Calling him our best player in the first two periods seems like a massive stretch to me.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

Comments like these are one of the reasons I really enjoy watching the opposing teams' broadcasts during Flames' games. The San Jose broadcast guys actually had quite a few complimentary things to say about Brodie, and they really like Berra's play. They made a few quips about Baertschi's play, including one where he tried to make a move around a Sharks defender "Maybe that move works in Abbotsford, but not here."

All in all I thought Baertschi looked like he was putting in a lot of effort, but was ineffectual. I think he needs to simplify his game a bit until he starts getting some points on the board. I'm sure that will bring outrage from the guys who think we should "Just let Baertschi play his game", but he's just not making good decisions with the puck right now. Passing when he should be shooting, shooting when he should be passing, trying to split the defenders instead of shoveling it to the open guy. I hate to say it, but it might be time to send him down for a bit.

As far as Brodie, this wasn't his best game, and it wasn't his worst. He had one very noticeable gaffe, but looked no worse than anyone else the rest of the game.

IT's funny how people can see the same thing and draw the opposite conclusions.

I agree that Baertschi is putting in the effort and that he needs to simplify things.

However, I think sending him to Abby is precisely the wrong thing to do - he doesn't need to be dipsy-doodling around weak defensemen, he needs to learn how to be successful in the NHL. And that comes with playing.

Also, some posters have said he looks slow (Tinordi, maybe?). He isn't slow, he's hesitating. He's thinking too much and that is causing him to be a step behind at times.

He needs to play. He needs to know that he's not going to be benched if he makes a mistakes, as long as the effort is there.

The only way to gain confidence and to learn what works in the NHL is with ice-time.

And that's where he is right now. They have put the fear of God into him - there is little to no chance of entitlement issues at this point.

Let him play. It is, after all, a rebuilding year.