Islamic violence is a worldwide occurence. Will it ever stop?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If you actually think the Federal Reserve is controlled by the U.S. government, there is no point in me trying to argue.
Why are they trying to pass a bill in Congress (HR1207 I believe) right now to have the Fed audited?? The Fed does not answer to anyone, they are not transparent and that is what people are questioning.
They want to know where the bail out money went.
If the government controlled the Fed, this would be a non-issue. The Fed is private. Just because it is called the FEDERAL Reserve, does not mean it is gov. controlled. Wow.......

Fed-Ex is not a government entity either......

"Because the bank is capable of printing money does not meant the money they print has any value. "
Exactly. But they print money that is not backed by anything and then charge interest on it...............this is how they get filthy rich, especially when they make huge loans for war efforts that they can collect interest on.

If the federal reserve bank is not controlled by the government then how can they pass a bill forcing disclosure? Seems like a strange thing to do if the bank "does not answer to anybody". Why would congress bother to do something if the bank was out of their power?

I wasn't calling the Federal Reserve federally controlled just because it is called the Federal Reserve. It is federally controlled because it was created by a federal statute in the year 1913 called the Federal Reserve Act.

The only association between that bank and the Rothschild's is that the federal government of the US forces each major bank to buy a percentage of stock of the regional federal reserve. Forcing the banks to buy stock, which is non-transferable and comes with no voting rights as does regular stock, is a way for the government to control the assets fo the investments banks. Not the other way around. It's called a centralized banking scheme.

I'm sure the individual banks are consulted and form parts of various committees, but they are consulted as financial experts. The same way CIBC and TD would be consulted when there is a move to change interest rates. The Rothschilds have no more influence in this area than do the dozens of other large banks in the united states.

Edit: Forbes magazine puts the wealth of the entire Rothschild family at below 2 billion. How much do you think they are worth and where are they hiding all this money?

[PyramidsofMars]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

The point is that in the era of computers, internet, modern medicine, education, science etc etc etc, Islam is still in the dark ages on a lot of basic human principles. I understand the texts say one thing, but there is talk and there is walk, and the way Islam extremism is walking lately is something that is not sitting well in the pit of my stomach. Christianity did not have the above listed modern innovations/aids to evolve.

The areas which breed most terrorists are generally not places where most of the population has easy access to all these 'modern innovations', and those who do are often given access to them by intelligent, rich people who can only be described as evil.

Places where most of the population are well-educated (in a relatively good system) and exposed to foreign cultures as well as their own don't tend to have problems with terrorism.

Islam was on its way to evolution, but again, the Wahhabis killed that chance and it's their fault that things are the way they are. There were armies of progressive, educated people raised to fight against the fundamentalists who now control the religion from Saudi Arabia. Too bad the fundies won out.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Locke

Does the technology exist to move every Church,Mosque..etc on the planet to this ground zero? If so, I'm all for it!

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by PyramidsofMars

The areas which breed most terrorists are generally not places where most of the population has easy access to all these 'modern innovations', and those who do are often given access to them by intelligent, rich people who can only be described as evil.

Places where most of the population are well-educated (in a relatively good system) and exposed to foreign cultures as well as their own don't tend to have problems with terrorism.

Islam was on its way to evolution, but again, the Wahhabis killed that chance and it's their fault that things are the way they are. There were armies of progressive, educated people raised to fight against the fundamentalists who now control the religion from Saudi Arabia. Too bad the fundies won out.

The 9/11 terrorists were better educated and had better career paths (if they so chose) than 90% people on CP pecking at their computers.

Terrorists tend to be extremely well educated, well above average intelligence, extremely bigoted, and well supported by governments. The lackeys they get to blow themselves up tend to be poor and poorly educated. Usually.

Reading into the mind of a terrorist

Jerrold Post, a professor of psychology at George Washington University, has not analyzed the doomsday text. But he has delved into the mind-set of suicide terrorists by interviewing dozens of their handlers - those who selected and prepared Palestinian suicide terrorists.
His research has led him to draw a sharp distinction between Palestinian suicide bombers and the 9/11 hijackers, whose psychology "shatters the profile," he says in a phone interview.
The Palestinian bombers are usually young men and women, carefully picked, brainwashed by handlers, and then watched each step of the way until they carry out their mission.
But the 9/11 hijackers were "fully formed, well-educated adults, [and] true believers," Dr. Post says. This enabled them to live among Americans for years without straying from their original convictions and determination.


What are these guys' excuse?
North Carolina Terrorist cell

Reporting from Washington - Federal authorities in North Carolina on Monday arrested seven men who they said had trained with high-powered weapons as part of a terrorist conspiracy to wage an Islamic holy war overseas.

The men -- including a father who, authorities said, trained in jihad camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and his two sons -- sought to provide material support to terrorists and to murder, kidnap, maim and injure people overseas, according to a seven-count federal indictment. The indictment did not allege that the group was plotting attacks on U.S. soil.

The Associated Press reported that Boyd, a drywall installer in Willow Spring, N.C., and his brother had been convicted of bank robbery in Pakistan in 1991 and of carrying identification showing they belonged to the radical Afghan guerrilla group Hezb-i-Islami.

Yes we should live and cringe in fear of Christian Fundamentalists.

One such person was Timothy McVeigh.McVeigh, angered by the Waco tragedy, decided to enact retribution to those he felt responsible -- the federal government, especially the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF). In downtown Oklahoma City, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building held numerous federal agency offices, including those of the ATF.

McVeigh's actions were not driven by his Christian beliefs though he is continuously pointed out by cultural-relativists to show how "Christianity is no better" etc....

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I suggest you try reading the "Fox's book of Martyrs" or "The Martyrs Mirror". There is also sites that keep track of modern day Christian martyrs. They are more common then one would think.

Huh.

I was trying to say "there are Christian crazies, but not as many Christian crazies as there are Muslim crazies, and the Christian crazies aren't as crazy as the Muslim crazies" and you apparently took it as some sort of affront.

I'll take a pass on the books about Christian martyrs. If they are considered (or considered themselves) Christian martyrs then they were crazy too. Their stories can't be anything but sad.

If there are more "martyrs" of any stripe than one might think, that's just more bad news.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I've said it before, here it is again:

Christianity is horrible. It is responsible for centuries of hatred, bigotry, and murder. Also things like the Inquisition and the Crusades. It has also matured out of that and evolved if you will into something that isn't going to hurt anyone unless they're a rich idiot getting taken for a ride from some Evangelist preacher. And don't jump all over me like I'm taking a personal jab at Evangelists. I could have used multiple other examples there as well (although Evangelism bothers me as much as Islam), but I digress.

The point is that in the era of computers, internet, modern medicine, education, science etc etc etc, Islam is still in the dark ages on a lot of basic human principles. I understand the texts say one thing, but there is talk and there is walk, and the way Islam extremism is walking lately is something that is not sitting well in the pit of my stomach. Christianity did not have the above listed modern innovations/aids to evolve.

Sorry if you think I'm a racist, but I don't think I am. Its no secret around here I don't like any religion, really. Just churning through a difficult discussion.

Christianity isn't evolving. When it formed 2000 years ago it was non violent and made no attempt at conquest as a means conversion. During the dark ages we see something far removed from fundamental Christianity. We see a political State hijack the Christian brand and use it as an excuse for empire building. They equated the "kingdom of God" to their "State church" and pretended to speak for God. Christian groups that would not accept their authority were persecuted and murdered. The cause of that bloodshed wasn't Christianity but, rather the desire for power. It is the same motivation behind most wars.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Islamic fundamentalists are in every country the religion of Islam has a foothold. It hardly an isolated group. There is no country in the world where as many as 5% of the Christian community supports actions such as Fred Phelps takes.

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Now obviously the fundamentalist Christian nutcases willing to die for the cause are outnumbered, but they are out there.

Okay, we are getting closer to my point slowly but surely.

What I was saying to ResAlien a page or two back was that I don't believe that having extremist fundamentalists quoting the most inflammatory quotes from scripture necessarily creates mass violence the likes of what we have seen. Just because there are a few lines like the ones he quoted in the Quran doesn't automatically dictate that there will always be the current amount of violence in the muslim world. I stand by my statement that most of the violence is geopolitical and not based on a few passages from the Quran.

[Finny61]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I've said it before, here it is again:

Christianity is horrible. It is responsible for centuries of hatred, bigotry, and murder. Also things like the Inquisition and the Crusades. It has also matured out of that and evolved if you will into something that isn't going to hurt anyone unless they're a rich idiot getting taken for a ride from some Evangelist preacher. And don't jump all over me like I'm taking a personal jab at Evangelists. I could have used multiple other examples there as well (although Evangelism bothers me as much as Islam), but I digress.

The point is that in the era of computers, internet, modern medicine, education, science etc etc etc, Islam is still in the dark ages on a lot of basic human principles. I understand the texts say one thing, but there is talk and there is walk, and the way Islam extremism is walking lately is something that is not sitting well in the pit of my stomach. Christianity did not have the above listed modern innovations/aids to evolve.

Sorry if you think I'm a racist, but I don't think I am. Its no secret around here I don't like any religion, really. Just churning through a difficult discussion.

In all of that there was nothing productive to the thread.. if you literally churn over anything good about religion then shut up and read something else. Your not racist, religion isn't a race, your just discriminatory to other people's beliefs and likely a bit uneducated on social topics.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by blankall

If the federal reserve bank is not controlled by the government then how can they pass a bill forcing disclosure? Seems like a strange thing to do if the bank "does not answer to anybody". Why would congress bother to do something if the bank was out of their power?

I wasn't calling the Federal Reserve federally controlled just because it is called the Federal Reserve. It is federally controlled because it was created by a federal statute in the year 1913 called the Federal Reserve Act.

The only association between that bank and the Rothschild's is that the federal government of the US forces each major bank to buy a percentage of stock of the regional federal reserve. Forcing the banks to buy stock, which is non-transferable and comes with no voting rights as does regular stock, is a way for the government to control the assets fo the investments banks. Not the other way around. It's called a centralized banking scheme.

I'm sure the individual banks are consulted and form parts of various committees, but they are consulted as financial experts. The same way CIBC and TD would be consulted when there is a move to change interest rates. The Rothschilds have no more influence in this area than do the dozens of other large banks in the united states.

Edit: Forbes magazine puts the wealth of the entire Rothschild family at below 2 billion. How much do you think they are worth and where are they hiding all this money?

Blankall, check this out. This is a quote from Alan Greenspan

This week, former chairman of the Fed Reserve Alan Greenspan in an interview aired on PBS' News Hour was asked by Jim Lehrer what should be the proper relationship between a chairman of the Fed and The President of the United States. In a shockingly honest tone Greenspan replies,

"Well, first of all, the Federal Reserve is an independent agency, and that means, basically, that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take. So long as that is in place and there is no evidence that the administration or the Congress or anybody else is requesting that we do things other than what we think is the appropriate thing, then what the relationships are don't, frankly, matter."

Yes, the Federal Reserve Act was passed by Congress right before the christmas break in 1913.........but they have had little influence in Fed decisions since then. Its funny that just a few years later the Lucitania(which theres is evidence that the U.S. was warned by the Germans that any ships in English waters would be sunk) was sunk and the U.S. entered WW1, and had to borrow money from the Fed.........

[mikey_the_redneck]

Here is an article about the Rothschilds. They are richer than advertised.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=840

Quote about the Waterloo incident;
Developing circumstances soon allowed the Rothschilds to formulate a plan which would guarantee them the financial control of Europe, and soon the world. It began with taking advantage of the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo, which was fought at La-Belle-Alliance, seven miles south of Waterloo, which is a suburb of Brussels, Belgium. Early in the battle, Napoleon appeared to be winning, and the first secret military report to London communicated that fact. However, upon reinforcements from the Prussians, under Gebhard Blucher, the tide turned in favor of Wellington. On Sunday, June 18, 1815, Rothworth, a courier of Nathan Rothschild, head of the London branch of the family, was on the battlefield, and upon seeing that Napoleon was being beaten, went by horse to Brussels, then to Ostende, and for 2,000 francs, got a sailor to get him to England across stormy seas. When Nathan Rothschild received the news on June 20, he informed the government, who did not believe him. So, with everyone believing Wellington to be defeated, Rothschild immediately began to sell all of his stock on the English Stock Market. Everyone else followed his lead, and also began selling, causing stocks to plummet to practically nothing. At the last minute, his agents secretly began buying up the stocks at rock-bottom prices. On June 21, at 11 PM, Wellington's envoy, Major Henry Percy showed up at the War Office with his report that Napoleon had been crushed in a bitter eight hour battle, losing a third of his men. This gave the Rothschild family complete control of the British economy, and forced England to set up a new Bank of England, which Nathan Rothschild controlled.


and some more interesting info from the same article.....
After Mayer Rothschild died on September 19, 1812, his will spelled out specific guidelines that were to be maintained by his descendants:

1) All important posts were to be held by only family members, and only male members were to be involved on the business end. The oldest son of the oldest son was to be the head of the family, unless otherwise agreed upon by the rest of the family, as was the case in 1812, when Nathan was appointed as the patriarch.
2) The family was to intermarry with their own first and second cousins, so their fortune could be kept in the family, and to maintain the appearance of a united financial empire. For example, his son James (Jacob) Mayer married the daughter of another son, Salomon Mayer. This rule became less important in later generations as they refocused family goals and married into other fortunes.
3) Rothschild ordered that there was never to be "any public inventory made by the courts, or otherwise, of my estate...Also I forbid any legal action and any publication of the value of the inheritance."

[blankall]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Blankall, check this out. This is a quote from Alan Greenspan

This week, former chairman of the Fed Reserve Alan Greenspan in an interview aired on PBS' News Hour was asked by Jim Lehrer what should be the proper relationship between a chairman of the Fed and The President of the United States. In a shockingly honest tone Greenspan replies,

"Well, first of all, the Federal Reserve is an independent agency, and that means, basically, that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take. So long as that is in place and there is no evidence that the administration or the Congress or anybody else is requesting that we do things other than what we think is the appropriate thing, then what the relationships are don't, frankly, matter."

Yes, the Federal Reserve Act was passed by Congress right before the christmas break in 1913.........but they have had little influence in Fed decisions since then. Its funny that just a few years later the Lucitania(which theres is evidence that the U.S. was warned by the Germans that any ships in English waters would be sunk) was sunk and the U.S. entered WW1, and had to borrow money from the Fed.........

Just because the federal reserve bank is an "independent agency" does not mean it is not a part of the government. Do you know what else is an independent agency..... the court system.....law enforcement... in fact it is a principle of democracy that government systems remain independent of one another. It stops tyrancy.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Here is an article about the Rothschilds. They are richer than advertised.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=840

So basically your saying I should ignore everything I hear from the government, all reputable news sources, all scientific litterature, all verified historical facts, and the fact that I have never personally seen one thing owned by the Rothschilds (if they have the type of money you are talking about they would have to own a lot of stuff.... I mean a lot of stuff, as in 1 in every 2 properties in the world) and take my information from conspiracy sites called the "truth seeker".

BTW the site you linked me to has some other gems:

Holocaust denial:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=55

Planet X is goign to invade earth by 2012:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7806

Vaccinations are a way to sterilize the population and control the masses:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=11137
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=11128
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=11161

apparently vaccines are a big one....These are all stories from their "current headlines".


Actually after reading this site I have totally changed my views of the world. In fact, I'm now convinced the world is run by a small group of jews sitting on a giant pile of hidden gold. Not only that they can read your mind. So I've invented a hat to stop them from doing such. I think you should get one too. In fact, I'll sell you one for $10,000.00.

When it arrives, it may just look like a bunched up role of tin foil, but trust me it's very high tech. You see it stops the Rothschilds from sending jew rays at you. Which in turn will allow you to stop being forced to shop at walmart. You might think people shop at walmart because economies of scale have allowed them to supply goods at cheaper rates, but no, it's really jew rays that are causing you to act like that.

Each fold in the tin foil is specifically tuned to a specific frequency of jew ray and blocks that frequency out. So it's very important that you not bend or alter the hat in any way. If you do bend the hat I suggest you send me another $10,000.00 and I will supply you with a new hat.

[CaptainCrunch]

That website has now been bookmarked by me. Its got to be one of the great humor sites of the century.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

Just because the federal reserve bank is an "independent agency" does not mean it is not a part of the government. Do you know what else is an independent agency..... the court system.....law enforcement... in fact it is a principle of democracy that government systems remain independent of one another. It stops tyrancy.

you clearly don't understand Blankall, the logic of conspiracy theory is that you take one small evidence in an ocean of larger evidence against that first piece of evidence. Disconnect it, massage the crap out of it, make your theory, then write a book and sell a thousand copies to the gullible.

Its PT Barnum and Charles Ponzi level genius.

I'm thinking of writing a book on my theory that there is a vast conspiracy by underground mole men to steal the worlds supply of grain. They work in shadow with sympathetic members of the worlds wheat pool who wish to accelerate the cost of grain. When they get enough money, they plan to enslave us by releasing a limited flow of highly addictive wonder bread. My proof, if you look at grain elevators and squint your eyes, they look like a giant penis.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

you clearly don't understand Blankall, the logic of conspiracy theory is that you take one small evidence in an ocean of larger evidence against that first piece of evidence. Disconnect it, massage the crap out of it, make your theory, then write a book and sell a thousand copies to the gullible.

Its PT Barnum and Charles Ponzi level genius.

I'm thinking of writing a book on my theory that there is a vast conspiracy by underground mole men to steal the worlds supply of grain. They work in shadow with sympathetic members of the worlds wheat pool who wish to accelerate the cost of grain. When they get enough money, they plan to enslave us by releasing a limited flow of highly addictive wonder bread. My proof, if you look at grain elevators and squint your eyes, they look like a giant penis.

The funny part is that someone has already come up with a similar theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Meet David Icke and his reptoids.

[CaptainCrunch]

ahhh f..k

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Finny61

In all of that there was nothing productive to the thread.. if you literally churn over anything good about religion then shut up and read something else. Your not racist, religion isn't a race, your just discriminatory to other people's beliefs and likely a bit uneducated on social topics.

Really? I thought I was making an observation about the pendelum of extremeism in two mainstream religions as it relates to its point in history given the technological climate allowing greater access to communication and education? I didn't think only experts were allowed to participate?

I guess I'll go back to posting about cheap beer and how bad Calgary drivers are.

Sheesh.

[4X4]

Am I the only one that opened this thread really hoping that the first reply was

yo, I don't know

[Finny61]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Really? I thought I was making an observation about the pendelum of extremeism in two mainstream religions as it relates to its point in history given the technological climate allowing greater access to communication and education? I didn't think only experts were allowed to participate?

I guess I'll go back to posting about cheap beer and how bad Calgary drivers are.

Sheesh.

yeah BS you were.

[666DanceParty]

This topic is getting spicy!!

I am noticing a lot of people tend to shut out 'conspiracy theories' without really giving them too much of a chance. I personally don't consider myself too much of a conspiracist but I find it valuable to at least read both sides of a story before deciphering what I believe to be real or false. Its just hard for me to believe the governement and media is telling the truth all the time.

CaptainCrunch, your post was hilarious though....those grain stealing freaks!!