[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames have interest in Toffoli (and other RHS top 6 forwards)

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Well let’s trade our first for him then following that logic. What a dumbass comment. But typical post coming from you. Keep your head in the clouds #1 fan!!!! Wish we could all see this team through your rose colored glasses.

Look at the first line you wrote. That is a dumbass comment. But feel free to thrive off negativity and doubt if that's what floats your boat.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am so sick of the negative Nancy's saying stupid things like "This team isn't good enough" when we are currently 1st in the Pacific and have one of the best records in the NHL since Ward took over. Like why do you even watch or pay attention then? Surely there are better things to do then bitch about a team you don't think can win.

So you would rather use a 2nd rounder or the like and add a few months of Toffoli who brings what? 5 more goals AT BEST over that stretch vs our next best option at that position? And that will make you as a fan so much happier?

Call me a negative Nancy, but i would rather this team keep the pick and work to stay good for a long time (vs rebuilds and windows) and use those picks to add a Dube or an Anderson every year or two. Having those guys on cheaper deals for a few years at least will provide better value for money than Tyler Toffoli.

Go back to playing GM Mode on NHL 2015 with trade slider set to "easy".

[GioforPM]

I think some people have an exaggerated idea of what Toffoli would cost, and what he'd make on an extension.

[kukkudo]

Toffoli is getting a 2nd round pick easily from a team. I think what it comes down to is the + part.

[Saqe]

I don't think Toffoli would cost more than a second rounder. But also I don't see him moving the needle much. But "everything is possible" once you get in I guess.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

So you would rather use a 2nd rounder or the like and add a few months of Toffoli who brings what? 5 more goals AT BEST over that stretch vs our next best option at that position? And that will make you as a fan so much happier?

Call me a negative Nancy, but i would rather this team keep the pick and work to stay good for a long time (vs rebuilds and windows) and use those picks to add a Dube or an Anderson every year or two. Having those guys on cheaper deals for a few years at least will provide better value for money than Tyler Toffoli.

Go back to playing GM Mode on NHL 2015 with trade slider set to "easy".

Toffoli fills a need for a scoring winger on a team that is in FIRST place in their division. They have a legit shot to make some noise in the playoffs regardless of what you think. If you want to tear it apart and live on draft picks then maybe the team directly North is more suited to you. That has worked out great for them and would be a perfect fit for someone always looking to be disappointed like yourself. Love that last line, how petty you are lol.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think some people have an exaggerated idea of what Toffoli would cost, and what he'd make on an extension.

Can you list any recent good value summer UFAs as comparables?


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[BergyBoy]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

So you would rather use a 2nd rounder or the like and add a few months of Toffoli who brings what? 5 more goals AT BEST over that stretch vs our next best option at that position? And that will make you as a fan so much happier?

Call me a negative Nancy, but i would rather this team keep the pick and work to stay good for a long time (vs rebuilds and windows) and use those picks to add a Dube or an Anderson every year or two. Having those guys on cheaper deals for a few years at least will provide better value for money than Tyler Toffoli.

Go back to playing GM Mode on NHL 2015 with trade slider set to "easy".

We've made the playoffs 7 times since the Cup run and were knocked out in the first round 6 times. I would rather make a Cup run then constantly be okay and make the playoffs to lose out right away.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Look at the first line you wrote. That is a dumbass comment. But feel free to thrive off negativity and doubt if that's what floats your boat.

You think this team is good enough? Tell me in how many ways you think this team can topple St Louis in a series? Colorado? Las Vegas? I need some of your positivity. So do the flames....maybe it can make our negative goal differential go away.

I'm not being overly negative. I think this team is better off keeping the pick, adding prospects while staying good, getting better slowly and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Can you list any recent good value summer UFAs as comparables?


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Joonas Donskoi at 4x3.9 and Brett Connolly at 4x3.5 are decent comparables.

[GioforPM]

Toffoli is expiring and not a gamechanger, just a decent piece. If Treliving holds out for long enough, or sweet talks well enough, the Kings are going to be desperate to get something for him, as opposed to seeing him wave goodbye for nothing off season.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Toffoli fills a need for a scoring winger on a team that is in FIRST place in their division. They have a legit shot to make some noise in the playoffs regardless of what you think. If you want to tear it apart and live on draft picks then maybe the team directly North is more suited to you. That has worked out great for them and would be a perfect fit for someone always looking to be disappointed like yourself. Love that last line, how petty you are lol.

Never said i want to tear it apart. Toffoli has 12 goals in 48 games and shooting % is inline with career. So he has 8 more goals in him for the rest of this year. Backlund's shooting % is down vs last year but i won't want to be a negative nancy, so I'll ignore that. Assuming Backlund's shooting percentage doesn't improve, he is in for 4 more goals (i don't like him on the wing but whatever for now). So you want to trade a 2nd for 4 more goals? That will make us super competitive? Our team's negative goal differential be damned.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Joonas Donskoi at 4x3.9 and Brett Connolly at 4x3.5 are decent comparables.

Yeah, those are probably the good ones. Also, Ferland had pretty similar numbers and signed for $3.5. Dzingel signed for $3.375.

[TheScorpion]

If Toffoli costs a 2nd and a prospect and can be re-signed at a 4x4.5 deal or something similar, I'd be all for it. He's a pretty good playoff performer too.

[GioforPM]

As for cost, last year Johansson was a pure rental and cost a 2nd and 4th. But that turned out badly, so maybe GMs realize that was too high. Brassard and a 6th rounder went for a 3rd rounder.

[BrennyBaller]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As for cost, last year Johansson was a pure rental and cost a 2nd and 4th. But that turned out badly, so maybe GMs realize that was too high. Brassard and a 6th rounder went for a 3rd rounder.

I'd say Johansson was a pretty big part of the Bruins playoff run. Had some key goals and plays. But I guess it comes down to was 3-4 months of decent production worth the cost? If they won the cup, yes absolutely. But is the final enough?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

I'd say Johansson was a pretty big part of the Bruins playoff run. Had some key goals and plays. But I guess it comes down to was 3-4 months of decent production worth the cost? If they won the cup, yes absolutely. But is the final enough?

True - I was looking at his regular season, which was 1 goal, 2 assists post trade. He did only have 4 goals in the POs. I guess those get magnified, and I couldn't tell you when they were or what other plays he made. And Boston was a strong team so who knows if they wouldn't have had the same success otherwise. But he was not good enough to re-sign at $4.5 apparently, and he winds up a Sabre for only 2 years.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Toffoli fills a need for a scoring winger on a team that is in FIRST place in their division. They have a legit shot to make some noise in the playoffs regardless of what you think. If you want to tear it apart and live on draft picks then maybe the team directly North is more suited to you. That has worked out great for them and would be a perfect fit for someone always looking to be disappointed like yourself. Love that last line, how petty you are lol.

Weren't the flames 2nd in the league and were suppose to make some noise last year? This team needs to keep picks and build through the draft to become a legit contender. Adding Toffoli is like Flames adding Olli Jokinen or all those Sutter deadline additions that amounted to nothing.

They never work but not against adding Toffoli if it's really cheap.

[Toonage]

Make no mistake, if they were able to do significant moves last year they would have. By all indications they wanted to, and tried but without sending salary back it was near impossible.

Now they have (some) cap space, and picks.

Prepare yourself I suppose.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Make no mistake, if they were able to do significant moves last year they would have. By all indications they wanted to, and tried but without sending salary back it was near impossible.

Now they have (some) cap space, and picks.

Prepare yourself I suppose.

I think if Stone would have agreed to sign in Calgary he would be here.

He is the exact type of player we need: Big, gritty, RHed, defensive beast, very good offensively.