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View Poll Results: World Cup of Hockey - Which team are you cheering for?
Canada 80 26.49%
Czech Republic 3 0.99%
Europe 6 1.99%
Finland 5 1.66%
North America 200 66.23%
Russia 3 0.99%
Sweden 4 1.32%
United States 1 0.33%
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Old 06-05-2016, 03:37 PM   #121
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It is actually reportedly true, you just have it backwards. The NHL reportedly decided they weren't going to continue going to the Olympics which was absolutely about money, and then the World Cup of Hockey was revived to replace the Olympic participation, only with the NHL now making all the money.

It's fine to say you're okay with how everything is happening, but you'd be fooling yourself to say the World Cup of Hockey isn't about the money and that it has little to do with Olympic participation.

This was a completely calculated, money driven decision. Full stop.
Yes, it was money driven. I never denied that. But the NHL was never directly making money off of the Olympics and was only ever hoping to get some tangential benefit through increased exposure. I.e. the aim of the WC, making money, would be as present whether the league goes to the Olympics or not.

They held a WC in 2004 even though the NHL went to the Olympics in 2002 and were going back in 2006, because the league and union wanted the money. Same thing here.

If most of the problems I listed can be solved the NHL will go to the Olympics, whether there's a WC or not. It's unlikely, but they would.

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Old 06-05-2016, 08:40 PM   #122
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The decision on whether they go to the Olympics and the holding of the WC have little to do with each other. IIRC, the Olympics are on the brink because of issues of location (and the fact that the games would be played at the worst times for the NHL's biggest markets), insurance, ownership of the game product for rebroadcast and promotion purposes, etc. Nothing to do with the fact that a WC will be held this summer.
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It is actually reportedly true, you just have it backwards. The NHL reportedly decided they weren't going to continue going to the Olympics which was absolutely about money, and then the World Cup of Hockey was revived to replace the Olympic participation, only with the NHL now making all the money.

It's fine to say you're okay with how everything is happening, but you'd be fooling yourself to say the World Cup of Hockey isn't about the money and that it has little to do with Olympic participation.

This was a completely calculated, money driven decision. Full stop.
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Yes, it was money driven. I never denied that. But the NHL was never directly making money off of the Olympics and was only ever hoping to get some tangential benefit through increased exposure. I.e. the aim of the WC, making money, would be as present whether the league goes to the Olympics or not.

They held a WC in 2004 even though the NHL went to the Olympics in 2002 and were going back in 2006, because the league and union wanted the money. Same thing here.

If most of the problems I listed can be solved the NHL will go to the Olympics, whether there's a WC or not. It's unlikely, but they would.
Okay sure, but your first post was a shot at everyone who thinks the World Cup of Hockey was revived due to the NHL's decision to stop attending the Olympics, stating that it has little to nothing to do with it.

My point was that almost every reputable source has stated that it was a two step process;

1. We've decided not to go to the Olympics

2. We're reviving the World Cup of Hockey to replace the international tournament hole being created

They were completely linked to which you're denying. Saying there was a WCH in 2004 and Olympics in 2002 doesn't mean anything in regards to this current WCH tournament. The intentions were clear, and no one will be shocked when the next World Cup of Hockey is in 2020.

This was absolutely a replacement that the NHL gets to do on their terms and profit from. Again, some are okay with that and that's fine, but to deny the link is extremely odd when it's so obvious and been reported so clearly.
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Old 06-05-2016, 08:46 PM   #123
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So is the NHL, and you watch that with undiminished enthusiasm.
Ok. How does that disagree with my statement that this tournament is not a best on best?
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The NA team is far better than Latvia or Germany, and the European team is far better than Slovakia or Norway. I have no idea what people are talking about when they say this won't be best on best. Do people really enjoy watching the traditional hockey powers run up the score on talentless teams at the Olympic every four years?
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Old 06-06-2016, 08:07 AM   #125
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The NA team is far better than Latvia or Germany, and the European team is far better than Slovakia or Norway. I have no idea what people are talking about when they say this won't be best on best. Do people really enjoy watching the traditional hockey powers run up the score on talentless teams at the Olympic every four years?
No.

Women's hockey is even worse. Canada in a class of it's own, the USA not too far behind, and then a massive drop off in talent for the rest of the field.

At least in men's hockey there are 5-6 teams that are competitive. This new World Cup format will offer 8 competitive teams which is refreshing and better than the Olympic format.
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