McGrattan hit on Alberts. Suspension?

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by moon

So you doubt he is injured then?

What makes people look ignorant and stupid is thinking that he faked an injury and stayed out of the game to get Brian McGrattan a suspension.

so you know absolutely nothing about sports medicine and the role of the trainers I see. Go take a high school course about it and you'll feel less ignorant so you can stop making things up and telling me I said it.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

To be honest it still looks to me like he dived. I don't think there is anyone on CP who wants to see a player get injured; The Canucks have earned a reputation through exaggerated embellishments and dives while faking injuries. This might be a lot more believable if it were not for an ongoing reputation. It's quite possible he injured himself trying to sell it. That said the hit was reckless no doubt, but I don't see the elbow that would cause the concussion I think the concussion happened it happened when he hit the ice.

a few posters here (small minority) have earned a reputation of calling every time a canuck gets hurt a dive

some of the one's saying Alberts dove I remember called Mason Raymond a diver off a high stick (Raymond lost two teeth)

I don't think it was a dirty hit, I think it was incidental and his head probably hit the glass or his the forearm caused the concussion, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a concussion (with Shanhan in charge it will probably be a suspension though)

I can assure you even with the mildest of concussions the brain would be unable to to even come up with the idea of 'selling a call' less than a second after

[d_phaneuf]

http://www.businessinsider.com/your-...ussion-2013-10

A concussion immediately paralyzes the nervous function of the brain — you can't sense anything for a moment. But this paralysis is reversible, and goes away not too long after the impact. You don't actually have to be knocked unconscious to have a concussion.

There are essentially three levels of severity, according to Missouri University Health Care:

The person is confused and unable to think clearly, but still conscious. This usually lasts less than 15 minutes.

The person is still conscious, but is confused and experiences memory loss. This lasts at least 15 minutes.

The person is actually knocked unconscious. When they regain consciousness, they will noticeably have trouble moving and thinking clearly.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by moon

So you doubt he is injured then?

What makes people look ignorant and stupid is thinking that he faked an injury and stayed out of the game to get Brian McGrattan a suspension.

Maybe he injured himself diving. I agree that it's ridiculous to think he stayed out to get a suspension, but on the other hand, that was such a dive. That was so unnatural, it wasn't even funny. It looked to me like when McGrattan's glove grazed his face, Alberts thought it was a stick, so he kicked his skates back, and went down like a ton of bricks to sell it. Maybe he jarred his back hitting the ice so pathetically.

Sorry, nucks fans, your team is just so notorious, that there is no benefit of the doubt.

[moon]

Originally Posted by AcGold

so you know absolutely nothing about sports medicine and the role of the trainers I see. Go take a high school course about it and you'll feel less ignorant so you can stop making things up and telling me I said it.

A highschool course? What are you talking about?

What things I am making up?

You said you don't want a suspension due to injury. So in that case you are saying that Alberts faked his injury or that a suspension can come since he was injured.

Not sure why you are crying so much about something that hasn't even happened or been indicated that it will happen.

[moon]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Maybe he injured himself diving. I agree that it's ridiculous to think he stayed out to get a suspension, but on the other hand, that was such a dive. That was so unnatural, it wasn't even funny. It looked to me like when McGrattan's glove grazed his face, Alberts thought it was a stick, so he kicked his skates back, and went down like a ton of bricks to sell it. Maybe he jarred his back hitting the ice so pathetically.

Sorry, nucks fans, your team is just so notorious, that there is no benefit of the doubt.

Maybe but it seems pretty unlikely that he is going to go to all that effort to get McGrattan suspended and that if that was the case the Canucks would lie/fudge it to try and get a suspension.

That all is moot anyways since there is no indication a suspension is coming.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It probably has something to do with Alberts looking like Qui Gon Jinn taking a lightsaber to the stomach and breaking his fall with his knees and then his hands.

I lol'd.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I know we hate the Canucks, and I know they have a bad reputation, but to say that a player was faking an injury when he leaves the game and doesn't return is kind of despicable. Player health and safety should always be of highest concern when watching any sport, otherwise they are just gladiators who amuse us with their pain and suffering. Take a second to look in the mirror when you accuse someone of embellishment when they are obviously seriously injured. Head injuries are no joke and if you look at what's going on in the NFL right now you will realize that more prevention should be in place and more care should be taken by players on the ice for their fellow players.

Now let's look at this incident briefly. McGrattan makes a big hit into the boards and raises his arms as he does so. His hands, in passing, appear to knock Alberts' head into the glass, making the massive hit even worse IMO. They called it an elbowing major, and in the quick flash I could see why they would say that, but in retrospect it wasn't an elbow. You could make the case for charging, or maybe even boarding if you were looking hard enough, but quite frankly the referees decided to toss him based on the violence of the hit, not how it occurred. Probably the wrong call, but I'm ok with referees responding to violent injuries like that with a wrong call now and again, if for no other reason than to simply protect the players and keep the violence at a minimum.

It was, however, simply an unfortunate hit that falls within the rules of the game as they stand. IMHO, there should be no suspension as he already received the appropriate (if not too harsh) punishment in the game.

But no, he did not fake an injury, and he surely did not fake being knocked out. If you believe that you need to stop watching hockey for a while and hang out in an emergency room and see what happens to people with concussions. It's not a joke and I don't think any player would fake a concussion, simply for the sake of getting a bigger penalty, and then sit out the rest of the game to back up up their charade. Come on people, where's the empathy?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I know we hate the Canucks, and I know they have a bad reputation, but to say that a player was faking an injury when he leaves the game and doesn't return is kind of despicable. Player health and safety should always be of highest concern when watching any sport, otherwise they are just gladiators who amuse us with their pain and suffering. Take a second to look in the mirror when you accuse someone of embellishment when they are obviously seriously injured. Head injuries are no joke and if you look at what's going on in the NFL right now you will realize that more prevention should be in place and more care should be taken by players on the ice for their fellow players.

Now let's look at this incident briefly. McGrattan makes a big hit into the boards and raises his arms as he does so. His hands, in passing, appear to knock Alberts' head into the glass, making the massive hit even worse IMO. They called it an elbowing major, and in the quick flash I could see why they would say that, but in retrospect it wasn't an elbow. You could make the case for charging, or maybe even boarding if you were looking hard enough, but quite frankly the referees decided to toss him based on the violence of the hit, not how it occurred. Probably the wrong call, but I'm ok with referees responding to violent injuries like that with a wrong call now and again, if for no other reason than to simply protect the players and keep the violence at a minimum.

It was, however, simply an unfortunate hit that falls within the rules of the game as they stand. IMHO, there should be no suspension as he already received the appropriate (if not too harsh) punishment in the game.

But no, he did not fake an injury, and he surely did not fake being knocked out. If you believe that you need to stop watching hockey for a while and hang out in an emergency room and see what happens to people with concussions. It's not a joke and I don't think any player would fake a concussion, simply for the sake of getting a bigger penalty, and then sit out the rest of the game to back up up their charade. Come on people, where's the empathy?

There's no doubt in my mind he was hurt on the play. It sucks and I hope he's ok. However, there is also no doubt whatsoever in my mind that he sold the play a little more with his flop.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I know we hate the Canucks, and I know they have a bad reputation, but to say that a player was faking an injury when he leaves the game and doesn't return is kind of despicable. Player health and safety should always be of highest concern when watching any sport, otherwise they are just gladiators who amuse us with their pain and suffering. Take a second to look in the mirror when you accuse someone of embellishment when they are obviously seriously injured. Head injuries are no joke and if you look at what's going on in the NFL right now you will realize that more prevention should be in place and more care should be taken by players on the ice for their fellow players.

Now let's look at this incident briefly. McGrattan makes a big hit into the boards and raises his arms as he does so. His hands, in passing, appear to knock Alberts' head into the glass, making the massive hit even worse IMO. They called it an elbowing major, and in the quick flash I could see why they would say that, but in retrospect it wasn't an elbow. You could make the case for charging, or maybe even boarding if you were looking hard enough, but quite frankly the referees decided to toss him based on the violence of the hit, not how it occurred. Probably the wrong call, but I'm ok with referees responding to violent injuries like that with a wrong call now and again, if for no other reason than to simply protect the players and keep the violence at a minimum.

It was, however, simply an unfortunate hit that falls within the rules of the game as they stand. IMHO, there should be no suspension as he already received the appropriate (if not too harsh) punishment in the game.

But no, he did not fake an injury, and he surely did not fake being knocked out. If you believe that you need to stop watching hockey for a while and hang out in an emergency room and see what happens to people with concussions. It's not a joke and I don't think any player would fake a concussion, simply for the sake of getting a bigger penalty, and then sit out the rest of the game to back up up their charade. Come on people, where's the empathy?

I don't think too many people are arguing he faked the injury, and no one wants to see a player injured. I'ts entirely possible he hurt himself the way he went down. I suspected, (as far as I can tell) the injury happened when he hit the ice.

[MissTeeks]

Pat Steinberg‏@Fan960Steinberg13m

Hartley says "no news" regarding a McGrattan hearing. #Flames

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Pat Steinberg‏@Fan960Steinberg13m

Hartley says "no news" regarding a McGrattan hearing. #Flames

The NHL didn't fall for it either.

[Northendzone]

too bad 24/7 was not following the flames - then we see how torts pre-game stuff was solely focused on McGrattan and how the Nucks needed to find a way to nuetralize him by any means possible......

[Calgary4LIfe]

No way Alberts dove there. Proof (if any was needed) was that he didn't return to the game. I hope Alberts is ok.

It wasn't a dirty hit, however. Secondary contact to the head. I am still not sure what knocked him out - was it his head hitting the glass, possibly the top of the boards, but I don't THINK it would have been McGrattan's gloves to his face (don't think the stick made contact to the head either by the looks of the replay). He did, however, get knocked out, and he definitely was hurt.

I think it was just an unfortunate hockey play. Borderline at worst, in my opinion. Though McGrattan is an enforcer, he has never been a dirty player in any way either, and that counts for something.

[MissTeeks]

“@AAVickers: McGrattan said he or the team haven't heard anything regarding a potential hearing for his hit on Andrew Alberts last night. #Flames”

“@AAVickers: McGrattan: “It’s a shoulder-to-shoulder hit. My elbow wasn’t up, shoulder wasn’t up, didn’t target the head. That’s my take on it." #Flames”


“@AAVickers: McGrattan: “I’m not a dirty player. I’ve never laid a dirty hit in my career. I don’t target heads. I don’t take cheap shots." #Flames”

“@KristenOdlandCH: sorry...more McGrattan: "I have respect for other players. It was a rim around the boards. He was coming around and reaching as if he saw.."”

“@KristenOdlandCH: "the hit. It was a shoulder-to-shoulder hit and I kind of clipped him when I came around. Unfortunately, sometimes guys get hurt..."”

[Mass_nerder]

It didn't look suspension worthy to me. It started out as a solid hit, but he got his arms up in the follow through. Probably worth an elbowing call, but it certainly didn't look like it was anything more than an accident.
Anything more than a two game suspension would be a farce.

[HelloHockeyFans]

1 idiot on the internet does not equal the entire city of Calgary...

Sounds like there won't be suspension which I'd agree with. Well said by McGrattan that sometimes, people get hurt.

[PeteMoss]

He obviously wasn't faking given he missed the whole game and was lying face on the ice for a while... that said... not sure its a dirty hit, the follow through makes it look worse. Got these still shots from somewhere:





Pretty clear his arm is down and its not an elbow to the head. May have gotten him in the chin with the shoulder but usually no suspension for that unless its a blind side hit.

[EVERLAST]

I give the fall after the hit a 10.1 out of 10.....perfect sold because it fooled people enough to make it seem legit.

he didnt jump
he didnt elbow
stick wasnt involved

maybe somebody better keep there head up.

any other player and no penalty and no talk of suspension.

what a crock

once a diver always a diver

[btimbit]

Rule 48 – Illegal Check to the Head
48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an
opponent’s head where the head was the main point of contact and
such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted.

Don't think it's a suspension, like Burtuzzo's questionable hit a few weeks ago. Head contact was secondary.