2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by cannon7

And we're supposed to be happy with the TDL outcome? Doubt it.

This GM has squandered an entire season by not addressing a glaring issue in net. Why would any Flames fan want to keep this dud around at this point?

lol

Yeah Tre should have went out back and plucked another goalie off the goalie tree he probably has growing behind the saddledome.

Markstrom finished top 3 in Vezina voting last season and has shown over his long career that he's a well above average NHL goalie. No GM in the league would have spent assets to try to replace Markstrom this season. Anyone with half a brain would have given him the season to see if he can figure his #### out.

It was must be frustrating having your position, work ethic and abilities frequently called into question by morons who have no freaking clue what they are talking about. Just a neanderthal that figures "Ugg TEAM lOsIng GM mUst SuCk Ugg"

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

How good is Chychrun? I haven't really seen him play other against us and he never stood out. If we did somehow get him since Treliving loves getting guys with term, obviously we would need to shed cap and make space on the roster for him. Assuming Hanifin is the guy that gets moved, anyone have insight on Chychrun vs Hanifin?

Chychrun is an upgrade on Hanifin.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Sales will be better on Thursday.

I guess you do have to be an alcoholic to deal with being a Leafs fan.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Chychrun is an upgrade on Hanifin.

He's different but I'm not sold he's better TBH. Especially considering injury history.

[TheIronMaiden]

The Flames need clutch goal scoring and clutch goaltending. Both are difficult to find in free agency and trades. It is much easier to get depth on deadline day, and the Flames have heaps of depth. All the more reason to sell a few pieces.

[btimbit]

Even though I know it's likely for the best, I'll still be a mess if the Flames trade Lindholm or Backlund

[bax]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

So much talk about puck luck lately.
If you're relying on getting better puck luck to be a good team, then you're not a good team.

Maybe you are getting puck luck. Maybe if you were not, you'd be missing the net instead of hitting the post.

For the most part, I think it comes down to good players and good teams making their own luck. I bet other teams have just as many slightly missed chances and posts but they make enough other plays to make up for the ones that didn't work out.
How many goals against have nothing to do with the other team getting puck luck but instead are caused by boneheaded plays and bad goaltending?

Puck luck is a myth and used to excuse an under performing team.

No question they are underperforming, but from what I have seen they are still a good team.

It’s amazing how momentum works moment to moment, period to period, game to game.

The overtime record speaks to itself. These things are unpredictable. I don’t think it’s a systemic issue.

Like I said if Markstrom was even half as good as he was last season this team is likely competing for the division.

The point I’m making is that given the contract status of Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar I don’t think selling for picks exclusively is the right move.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by bax

No question they are underperforming, but from what I have seen they are still a good team.

It’s amazing how momentum works moment to moment, period to period, game to game.

The overtime record speaks to itself. These things are unpredictable. I don’t think it’s a systemic issue.

Like I said if Markstrom was even half as good as he was last season this team is likely competing for the division.

The point I’m making is that given the contract status of Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar I don’t think selling for picks exclusively is the right move.

The issue is that the contract structure of the team makes it all in on a rebound and cup win next year. Losing Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, and Toffoli for nothing would be terrible

[Jason14h]

This is why ELITE talent is needed.

An ELITE forward scores one of the chances last night
An ELITE Defenceman doesnt allow the last 2 goals to happen

The Flames as a team deserve better this year. They could even compete for the division with good (not even great) goaltending

However, not having the Elite talent is also a continued problem. The team needs to fight for every inch, every shift, and play near perfect to win.

All the one goal games and puck luck are a symptom of 3 things-

Poor Goaltending, Poor PP, Poor 'Puck Luck'

The later two is because of our lack of Elite talent.

And this is why running the same team next year even with bounce back goaltending is a poor idea IMO.

Their best players will all be older, and not in a good way. They weren't good enough last year with 2 gamebreakers/arguable elite talent. They arent good enough this year.

We have no gamebreaker joining to team from the farm. We don't realistically have young players who will become gamebreakers next season. And our core will be one year older (Before most of them become UFA's)

Is it really worth running this team back next year, hoping to have good goaltending for 1 more shot while lacking the gamebreaking talent?

[mile]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Even though I know it's likely for the best, I'll still be a mess if the Flames trade Lindholm or Backlund

I don’t want to see Lindy leave 🥲

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by bax

No question they are underperforming, but from what I have seen they are still a good team.

It’s amazing how momentum works moment to moment, period to period, game to game.

The overtime record speaks to itself. These things are unpredictable. I don’t think it’s a systemic issue.

Like I said if Markstrom was even half as good as he was last season this team is likely competing for the division.

The point I’m making is that given the contract status of Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar I don’t think selling for picks exclusively is the right move.

I agree. You went all in with those signings. You can’t partially tear it apart now. Get what you can for guys like Lucic and Lewis. Figure out what you have on the farm. Decide what you’re doing with the goalies and tinker in the offseason.

I’d figure out what the 2024 UFAs are doing and move any not willing to extend.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Even though I know it's likely for the best, I'll still be a mess if the Flames trade Lindholm or Backlund

Same. But man, I want Backs to win a cup goddammit. If it doesn’t happen in Calgary, I just hope it happens somewhere i can be happy for him (aka not in Edmonton)

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I agree. You went all in with those signings. You can’t partially tear it apart now. Get what you can for guys like Lucic and Lewis. Figure out what you have on the farm. Decide what you’re doing with the goalies and tinker in the offseason.

I’d figure out what the 2024 UFAs are doing and move any not willing to extend.

I don’t see many of the 2024 UFAs signing with us again outside of maybe Backlund as he’s devoted his life to this franchise/city.

But out of respect I’d allow him to chase a cup and come back as much as I’d hate to see one of the last guys with a GAF for this team.


Hanifin/Lindholm are both gone , they’ll get more money elsewhere and we can’t afford to keep them.

It sucks but sometimes you have to move on from good players and try again, all teams do it.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

This is why ELITE talent is needed.

An ELITE forward scores one of the chances last night
An ELITE Defenceman doesnt allow the last 2 goals to happen

The Flames as a team deserve better this year. They could even compete for the division with good (not even great) goaltending

However, not having the Elite talent is also a continued problem. The team needs to fight for every inch, every shift, and play near perfect to win.

All the one goal games and puck luck are a symptom of 3 things-

Poor Goaltending, Poor PP, Poor 'Puck Luck'

The later two is because of our lack of Elite talent.

And this is why running the same team next year even with bounce back goaltending is a poor idea IMO.

Their best players will all be older, and not in a good way. They weren't good enough last year with 2 gamebreakers/arguable elite talent. They arent good enough this year.

We have no gamebreaker joining to team from the farm. We don't realistically have young players who will become gamebreakers next season. And our core will be one year older (Before most of them become UFA's)

Is it really worth running this team back next year, hoping to have good goaltending for 1 more shot while lacking the gamebreaking talent?

Agree that elite talent is needed. Been saying that for years. Only way to get it for the long term is through the draft. Puck luck calls are nonsensical. With a large sample size already in place the blame is squarely on the team and not just luck. Deal valuable pieces for high picks and prospects. Only way to do it right.

[Yeah_Baby]

I'm confident that if he wants to stay the Flames get a deal done with Backlund next year. I'm really not so sure Lindholm would want to stay past this contract, or if we could afford him.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Bleacher Report article indicates Flames could be blowing it by not being sellers at the deadline...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...trade-deadline

I'd have to agree, Flames are squandering the TDL if they just stand pat and do nothing. It's pretty obvious that goaltending and timely scoring have been the biggest issues for the team this season and I don't see those being addressed at the deadline, but doing nothing seems like a big missed opportunity given these prices we're seeing.

Guys like Toffoli, Hanafin, Tanev, Backlund, Lindholm who are potentially available and would net a great return in a player for player trade, or for draft picks/up and coming prospects. I'd love to see the Flames increase their draft capital for the summer personally, and that extra cap space would be very valuable and can still be used in Free Agency in the summer and/or if Tre makes any trades for players carrying larger cap hits that space would also come in handy. Being this mediocre all season and not doing anything at the TDL would be a bad look though, and I have faith Tre will make some sort of move by Friday.

That Boston game proved (to me at least) that this season is not meant to be, so make some changes while the market is hot and come back with better goaltending from Markstrom/Vladar and a few new faces next season and a few more promising kids in the prospect pool!

[Toonage]

They also need to make room cap wise in the off season anyway. To not take care of that now while teams are overpaying, it doesn't make a ton of sense.

[topfiverecords]

Toffoli, Lindholm or Backlund to the Canes

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

This is why ELITE talent is needed.

An ELITE forward scores one of the chances last night
An ELITE Defenceman doesnt allow the last 2 goals to happen

The Flames as a team deserve better this year. They could even compete for the division with good (not even great) goaltending

However, not having the Elite talent is also a continued problem. The team needs to fight for every inch, every shift, and play near perfect to win.

All the one goal games and puck luck are a symptom of 3 things-

Poor Goaltending, Poor PP, Poor 'Puck Luck'

The later two is because of our lack of Elite talent.

And this is why running the same team next year even with bounce back goaltending is a poor idea IMO.

Their best players will all be older, and not in a good way. They weren't good enough last year with 2 gamebreakers/arguable elite talent. They arent good enough this year.

We have no gamebreaker joining to team from the farm. We don't realistically have young players who will become gamebreakers next season. And our core will be one year older (Before most of them become UFA's)

Is it really worth running this team back next year, hoping to have good goaltending for 1 more shot while lacking the gamebreaking talent?

Elite goaltending? how about average...two ridiculously bad goals last night. Flames should have won the game 3-1...maybe 4-1 with an EN. That is with average goaltending not even good.

[Macho0978]

The problem I have with trading Lindholm is this team is a very good deep team, just lacking elite talent. Lindholm isn't McDavid or MacKinnon, but he's close to a guy like Bergeron. He's the closest player to being labeled elite of anyone we got.

If we had a chance at a top 5 pick fine, my concern is we are too good to draft a replacement. Zary is not going to be elite either. Kadri and Backlund are too old to be either.

Huberdeau is the other elite player we have. If you keep Lindholm and Huberdeau and play them together and hopefully draft a guy that can fill the 3rd spot or a guy like Pelletier fill that spot, you might develop an elite first line.

Trading Lindholm, Kadri and Backlund are on the decline. Trading Lindholm, you might as well just blow it up.