[News] Patrick Kane being investigated for rape. UPD: DA announces no charges

[Hackey]

I fully believe being in a relationship with a pro athlete is tough but I don't see how that relates to this case.

As for those who think it might have had to do with rejection or hurt ego I think that could go both ways. Kane the famous athlete doesn't get told no often. Or maybe the hot girl who every guy trips over but Kane didn't really care and her feelings got hurt.

[CaptainCrunch]

Right now the NHL is in a tough spot, I would argue that the two fail safe deadly phrases are domestic violence and rape.

If Kane had been caught doing a line of blow, or firing a needle full of bull hormones into his butt, they could send him to rehab, and probably let him play leading up to a trial or agreement.

But nowadays Domestic Assault and Rape are the WMD's of legal charges, basically whether he did it or not, the NHL is probably not going to allow him to play until this is cleared up beyond a reasonable doubt in terms of innocence or guilt.

Things have changed, in the old days in all sports if something like this happened, the teams would probably pay off the victim, pay off the press and make sure that it stayed quiet, but the media nowadays is much more active, and less beholden to the sports beat that they cover.

I would expect that the NHL will announce a suspension for Kane until the legal matter is cleared up. The last thing that want is a media circus everytime the Hawks come to town

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by nik-

Sometimes. Sometimes it's about sex and rejection. Sometimes a dude just refuses to take no for an answer and rapes a woman. I would agree that some guy stalking in a park and raping someone is not so much about sex. If there are two people in a hotel room and the girl decides she wants to stop and the guy rapes her, I'm sorry, that's about sex.

You and I have a different definition of sex then.

[CroFlames]

I'll reserve my judgement until the court hashes this out.

If he did rape a girl, the Hawks won't have to worry about whether or not to terminate the contract. He'll be in prison.

[justafan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are you suggesting that athletes are more inclined to murder or beat their partners than men on average?

You know I'm not sure. Could be steriod use among NFL players etc. I am pointing out something opposite the puck bunny and gold digger scenario. I keep reading on here how its common for women to charge men falsely. I'm pointing out a dark side I've read about too often.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

It's all about money. Rich athletes are easy targets. Even if found innocent criminally , a civil lawsuit always follows.

different threshold to meet.

Criminal is beyond a reasonable doubt
Civil is on the balance of probabilities.

OJ Simpson was found guilty on a balance of probabilities, but found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Even if he is not guilty of this, Kane needs to take stock on his life and make the decision on alcohol. I have had issues with it in the past and this year decided to stop putting myself and my loved ones in bad positions in regards to drinking. It's a hard choice, but definatly one that needs to be made.
Hopefully Kane can do this

Unrelated but were you sober when you made the deal to eat Mr. Ward's you know whats?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by D as in David

You and I have a different definition of sex then.

Excuse me? What are you implying here?

[Sylvanfan]

Should be interesting. Ben Roethlisberger had similar issues a few years ago regarding allegations against him, and the "Moral" NFL gave him 6 games later reduced to 4. Today I think the NFL would face a bit more scrutiny in a case like that. You could also argue that a defensive lineman of a different background facing that same charge would have been given a harsher sentence.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by justafan

You know I'm not sure. Could be steriod use among NFL players etc. I am pointing out something opposite the puck bunny and gold digger scenario. I keep reading on here how its common for women to charge men falsely. I'm pointing out a dark side I've read about too often.

Fair enough. And I am certainly not trying to downplay any violence towards women.

Maybe steroids and privilege are a factor.

Maybe it just seems that way because, as public figures, those cases get reported.

Hard to say.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'll reserve my judgement until the court hashes this out.

If he did rape a girl, the Hawks won't have to worry about whether or not to terminate the contract. He'll be in prison.

The NHL can't afford from a pr perspective to have Kane playing while he's under investigation, or charged with Rape.

they already set a precedence with Voynov who was suspended while the investigation took place.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by justafan

You know I'm not sure. Could be steriod use among NFL players etc. I am pointing out something opposite the puck bunny and gold digger scenario. I keep reading on here how its common for women to charge men falsely. I'm pointing out a dark side I've read about too often.

Or maybe it's because when this happens to famous people, everyone's ears go up and the media unleashes a firestorm of incomplete information, whether there is fault on the celebrity, or some type of false accusation.

Due to the wealth involved, I would bet there is a higher number of false accusations laid against those of high net worth and/or celebrity than the general average. I wouldn't bet that the rate of actual sexual assault is any different than the general population though, it's just that we hear about and are more interested in it because we know the names involved.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The NHL can't afford from a pr perspective to have Kane playing while he's under investigation, or charged with Rape.

they already set a precedence with Voynov who was suspended while the investigation took place.

There is absolutely no doubt Kane will not play, if charged, until the case reaches its conclusion in the courts. Nor should he.

[FiveSeven]

Hm well assuming that she was of age. What would be the direction of the situation if say they had consensual sex and he just left and she got really vengeful and made it look like she was raped and then went straight to the hospital? There would be signs of rape and DNA evidence to support the claim but then what? Would it just come down to a lie detector test? Or could that be refused?

I'm no expert but I see the case being dropped before a lie detector test unless the allegations are true, makes sense? This is obviously disregarding all court proceedings.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by FiveSeven

Hm well assuming that she was of age. What would be the direction of the situation if say they had consensual sex and he just left and she got really vengeful and made it look like she was raped and then went straight to the hospital? There would be signs of rape and DNA evidence to support the claim but then what? Would it just come down to a lie detector test? Or could that be refused?

I'm no expert but I see the case being dropped before a lie detector test unless the allegations are true, makes sense? This is obviously disregarding all court proceedings.

This is sadly why the vast majority of rape cases never even get to court, or are reported in the first place.

The fact that she went to the hospital first rather than the police adds smoke to this fire however.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I fully admit I have zero details but I find it hard to believe Kane would rape a girl. He might be a bit of a dick but this seems a bit extreme. A girl who had her feelings hurt somehow in the situation or looking for a pay day seems more plausible but I guess you never know.

Why is it hard to believe? All sorts of men commit rape. Your career choice, wealth, and other factors don't preclude someone from that.
Why is it more plausible that the girl lied?
I'm not saying he did it. I hope he didn't. But I don't understand any of the above.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

It's all about money. Rich athletes are easy targets. Even if found innocent criminally , a civil lawsuit always follows.

All about the money... So presumed extortion guilt until proven innocent? Huh.

[FiveSeven]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why is it hard to believe? All sorts of men commit rape. Your career choice, wealth, and other factors don't preclude someone from that.
Why is it more plausible that the girl lied?
I'm not saying he did it. I hope he didn't. But I don't understand any of the above.

Agreed, no need to look further than human trafficking. Usually rich or powerful.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

This is sadly why the vast majority of rape cases never even get to court, or are reported in the first place.

The fact that she went to the hospital first rather than the police adds smoke to this fire however.

Everything I read stated she went to a hospital and tests using a rape kit were performed. Do we know for certain that this means she went there first, and police then became involved, or is that an assumption based on that wording?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by FiveSeven

Hm well assuming that she was of age. What would be the direction of the situation if say they had consensual sex and he just left and she got really vengeful and made it look like she was raped and then went straight to the hospital? There would be signs of rape and DNA evidence to support the claim but then what? Would it just come down to a lie detector test? Or could that be refused?

I'm no expert but I see the case being dropped before a lie detector test unless the allegations are true, makes sense? This is obviously disregarding all court proceedings.

I didn't think that Lie Detector tests were even admissible without consent from both sides.

If she went to the hospital and there were signs of rape, defensive wounds and DNA evidence, then Kane is in huge trouble.

Whether she went to the hospital first and then called the police in or the opposite doesn't really matter here, since for the most part, rape victims aren't usually all that rational right after the attack.