[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Scoronato isn't being traded, I can promise you that.

We aren't trading a great young player we just signed to a long term contract a month ago? Shocking.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by jayswin

If it's just fun for you guys to propose things that would never happen, ill step aside for sure. It just seems more like actual hopes and proposals to me when reading.

Ok, but for argument's sake- look back at all the lopsided trades that have happened over the years that we never would have guessed would happen. In recent times, If you were an Islanders fan, would you have proposed Brock Nelson for Calum Ritchie and a first? I wouldn't have thought that one up.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Fair enough, but you could get the point across without mocking other posters and trying to single them out for ridicule. Not everybody reads every post, and we were just speaking hypothetically. We shouldn't be afraid to post on here without being made to feel like morons.

Its not like that, its just funny when the proposals are so far out of wack like they often are on CP. I wouldn't take it personally, man, especially you. You're prospect work on CP is amazing, its such a huge value add to the site. I look forward to everything you post in that regard. Think of it like your buddies ripping you while hanging out, but they do it cause they like you haha. Same ****. People take things way too personally on here.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Too many are forgetting that we did rip a lot down by getting rid of a ton of vets. Not too far off of “scorched earth”. Then, the team surprised just about everyone with their performance last season.
I don’t think that we will be bottom of the league next year, but I can easily see us doing quite a bit worse than last year.
We just might get the pick everyone wants

I think there is a not so insignificant chance the Flames regress next year. Andersson will be traded at some point. That still may occur this summer. Even though he had a rough season, for the most part, last year, he’s still a top
4 RHD that can be counted on in all situations. I’m betting Parekh won’t be an immediate replacement.

What happens with other vets, most notably Backlund and Lomberg? Is Backlund chasing legacy, or a cup? If he wants to stay, where is his head at moving forward? Is he comfortable signing one-two year deals at a lesser cap hit and, eventually, reduced role on the ice? Both he and Lomberg are on expiring contracts and leading candidates to be deadline deals. The Flames have to also start thinking about Coleman. Two years left on his deal and I can’t see a scenario where he extends.

A lot more question marks after that (as it is with all teams). What are the flames getting out of Sharangovich? Does Wolf continue his level of play behind a diminished blue-line once Andersson leaves? Can Zary stay healthy? Can Frost and/or Farabee have better showings?

I’m sure all of us could come up with several questions but I think the results we saw last year were towards the upper end of what reasonable expectations could have been at the start of the season. Can they do that again, or are they set to come back down. My bet is they take a step or two backwards. At that point, I think the Flames will need to take an intentional step backwards and leverage some of their veteran assets. Trade Andersson, which seems inevitable, trade a Lomberg, find out from Backlund what he wants (I’m sure they will or have already), explore what is out there on Coleman. If any team calls on Kadri, Huberdeau, or even Weegar, you listen. There should be no untouchable veteran.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by jayswin

No, its just internet posting. Just find it funny that Johnston proposals went through a whole cycle a month ago that were debunked as unrealistic and then here we are again. The "markstrom for 10th overall, but we shouldn't have to find up our late first" should be a meme response to most CP trade proposals at this point.

Debunked? No, nothing was debunked. To "debunk" a statement or prove that it is not true means that you have proof that the statement is false.

People like you posting your opinion is not a fact, it is just your opinion, and thus has no proof to it. You have performed no great act of proving anything, you are just running your virtual mouth. That is why the idea of bundling Andersson up for a bigger asset is still a possible outcome of a future trade and you have proved nothing to the contrary.

Most of the negative posters to the concept of a Johnston-Andersson trade do not even take the time to contribute something useful, it is just saying "that cannot happen" over and over again in an act of filibuster. The other negative posters just try to jump to "that cannot happen without an untouchable asset" (Wolf, Parekh) which is equally thoughtless and unhelpful to the conversation.

It would be far more interesting if you guys would take a second to try and evaulate package values. I have tried to do so a few times in this thread and most of the negative posters get scared and run away to "that cannot happen" land.

[Johnny Makarov]

Anything more than a 2nd and 3rd for Rasmus will be a huge win for Conroy.

GMs actually watch Andersson play too... lol

Rasmus + for Robertson or Johnston is crazy talk.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Anything more than a 2nd and 3rd for Rasmus will be a huge win for Conroy.

GMs actually watch Andersson play too... lol

Rasmus + for Robertson or Johnston is crazy talk.

Every trade proposal on CP is always the other team’s best player or prospect for our spare parts. It’s tradition.

[flambers]

If and when Andersson is traded,

My guess its an 1st - 2026 (likely a late pick) and a prospect that is close to NHL ready (similar to the Canucks trade).

Not a blue chipper, B type of a prospect

[Vinny01]

I won’t lie I had/have a feeling the deal is going down with Dallas today or by the end of the weekend. I have said I won’t be too worried about starting the season or camp with Andersson unless he is still here after Stampede.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Every trade proposal on CP is always the other team’s best player or prospect for our spare parts. It’s tradition.

It is also tradition to overvalue everybody else's players and prospects while claiming everything in the Flames organization has little value.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Debunked? No, nothing was debunked. To "debunk" a statement or prove that it is not true means that you have proof that the statement is false.

People like you posting your opinion is not a fact, it is just your opinion, and thus has no proof to it. You have performed no great act of proving anything, you are just running your virtual mouth. That is why the idea of bundling Andersson up for a bigger asset is still a possible outcome of a future trade and you have proved nothing to the contrary.

Most of the negative posters to the concept of a Johnston-Andersson trade do not even take the time to contribute something useful, it is just saying "that cannot happen" over and over again in an act of filibuster. The other negative posters just try to jump to "that cannot happen without an untouchable asset" (Wolf, Parekh) which is equally thoughtless and unhelpful to the conversation.

It would be far more interesting if you guys would take a second to try and evaulate package values. I have tried to do so a few times in this thread and most of the negative posters get scared and run away to "that cannot happen" land.

Nailed it.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Anything more than a 2nd and 3rd for Rasmus will be a huge win for Conroy.

GMs actually watch Andersson play too... lol

not that it means a whole lot, but he's 31st among NHL defensemen in this JFresh fan vote.

Spoiler!

Ras is a good defender. Are some trade proposals on here unrealistic? Yeah. But "anything more than a 2nd and 3rd will be a huge win" is not a good take either.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Every trade proposal on CP is always the other team’s best player or prospect for our spare parts. It’s tradition.

No one is getting Wyatt Johnston for spare parts.

If I had to guess, the cost of Johnston would start at two 1sts, Coronato and Andersson. Or similar value.

You don't just trade a great center. It is a premium position.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is also tradition to overvalue everybody else's players and prospects while claiming everything in the Flames organization has little value.

You're doing great work keeping that side alive.

[ResAlien]

Isn't Johnson a 22 year old 71 pt centre on a team that's looking to contend right now? Why would they trade him for a solid if unremarkable aging defenceman needing a new contract? Seems like wishful thinking more than anything. What am I missing, why would Dallas even entertain this idea?

[Toonage]

They also just signed him to an extension.

The hallmark of a team looking to move someone.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by devo22

not that it means a whole lot, but he's 31st among NHL defensemen in this JFresh fan vote.

Spoiler!

Ras is a good defender. Are some trade proposals on here unrealistic? Yeah. But "anything more than a 2nd and 3rd will be a huge win" is not a good take either.

Ya, I am not sure how I would evaluate a fan vote against actual player value in a trade... but if there are 64 top pair D (32 #1D) positions available in the NHL, fan perception appears to be that Andersson qualifies as a #1D on a lot of people's lists.

The gap between Dobson and Andersson is not as huge as many posters here keep suggesting. Their difference in age is only 3 years, 2 months. Andersson is more proven as he has 4 years of playing top pair minutes and Dobson only has 2 years at it.

With an extension, I think Andersson's value could be very close to Dobson. Especially now that all of the other top pair defenders are off the market.

Without an extension there is more risk to the buying team, but the new CBA does give the buying team unique leverage as they will be in control of any 8 year extension talks.

[traptor]

Yeah if you're looking at acquiring Johnston for UFas, the value would be similar to what we got for Tkachuk. so you have a weegar equivalent in rasmus. Now youneed to add ++++


That's also with the caveat that Tkachuk forced his way out. If he didn't theres no way we make that trade.


I think this team will notice big time the decline of kadri and Backlund over the next couple years. They're so critical for this group but the aging curves will catch up quickly.

[Major Major]

Ya the Andersson return is so locked in at this point it's a bit boring. 1st, 3rd for retention, some guy you've never heard of.

The difference between extension and no extension is likely nothing more than a late 2nd rounder. It's all extremely predictable in this league. All this summer fuss is just pecking at the scraps.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Isn't Johnson a 22 year old 71 pt centre on a team that's looking to contend right now? Why would they trade him for a solid if unremarkable aging defenceman needing a new contract? Seems like wishful thinking more than anything. What am I missing, why would Dallas even entertain this idea?

I'm not saying they will or should trade him, but Dallas is a team looking to get over the hump and get a cup after losing in the conference finals 3 years in a row. They are deepest at the C position with 4 very good C's in Johnston, Seguin, Duchene and Hintz. Icetime was fairly even between them all but Johnston clearly had the most icetime.

It would make sense to trade from this position of strength to upgrade at other positions of need. Is Johnston the guy they would want to trade? probably not but of the 4 he also has the most value followed by Hintz. If someone offers enough value for Johnston I think Dallas could consider it given how much depth they have at the C position.